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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so when we started

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recordings not just commercial free but

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higher quality of course during this

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time Chris has been away from his home

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studio and so we had to rely on him on

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the cellphone Network now he has an

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iPhone 5s which has excellent audio but

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when that excellent audio interacts with

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a subpar wireless network

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it still doesn't sound that great but

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today you're back to normal Chris more

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or less yeah complete with all the

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marbles in my mouth oh that's right you

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have marbles in your mouth and also

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chewing gum I forgot chewing gum

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occasionally yeah one time I got caught

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finishing up breakfast on our first

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segment and got busted for it I just

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wonder about people who listen to things

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that carefully well it's good to be back

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here at home central quite quite a trip

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I had taking around a bunch of acolytes

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following a Pakistani guru it was quite

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the adventure now let me understand here

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as a pakistani guru just someone from

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pakistan or is that a specific title no

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he's a pakistani who now lives in south

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africa and evidently at some divine

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mother temple in turkey in 2010 one of

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his followers had a what would you call

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it i guess some sort of divine

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revelation somehow tied in with the

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divine mother which I guess would be you

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know the kind of mother Mary sort of

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archetype and uh evidently it spread to

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him and his wife and they were

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instructed to go around the world and

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activate power spots through group

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meditation which kind of kind of rings a

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bell sort of almost uh Steven grill like

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but but I'll tell you it was interesting

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traveling around with a bunch of Tariq's

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was even mohammed mohammed so that we

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really really yeah really really oh well

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that was very fun

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the only time we ran into any sort of

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problems with any of the many people

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that we obviously had to deal with

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traveling around the four corners was

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when we went to the Taos Pueblo I was

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really amazed they they saw you know two

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camp chairs being taken out of the bus

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and they said what's that for and I said

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well we have to you know elderly people

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and and they want to sit well when they

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meditate meditate you can't pray here

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and I said well hold on a second and

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nowhere does it say you can't pray at

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the Taos Pueblo and any of your science

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which there are many

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and isn't prayer and invocation whereas

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meditation is you just clearing your

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mind well that doesn't matter you can't

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do that here hey how would you like it

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if we came to your place and did that I

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said I'd welcome it I would think that

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you would welcome it too so evidently

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she never got the word that the 1680

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Taos revolt was over and and she was

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still on a on a war pony so I just gave

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the throat cut sign to master Jacobs

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interesting he has a Jewish name for a

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Pakistani guru and we just tooled our

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way down the road in the bus we we

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didn't stop there I mean you know what

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can you do you went to the corner deli

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for lunch no actually we went to quite a

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fine restaurant in Santa Fe but yeah

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they stayed at all you know five-star

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hotels or four-star if there weren't any

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fives and aidid all the the best

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restaurants and and they must be you

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know he he actually I think was a were

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they called the the guys that spin

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around the not the yes he was a Sufi for

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many years and of course you know in the

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in the Islamic tradition you're not

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allowed to have alcohol well these guys

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evidently were we're not Islamic anymore

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because they at one point I was

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challenged to a drinking contest and I

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politely declined

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telling them that they didn't have a

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chance I was Irish and he said well we

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all have a bit of the Irish in us so

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next morning throwing out the garbage I

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you know kind of looking at the trash

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there there was a half gallon of Bacardi

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a quart of Myers rum what else a half a

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bottle of Hennessy I guess they couldn't

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get all the way through the con yak and

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then a half a bottle of Drambuie so

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evidently they had some fun that that

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night and I missed out but oh well well

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we're glad to have you back end we have

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especially if they're locale right these

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are low calorie frappuccinos for a

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yeah you can't do that I can't even get

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coffee for a dollar in a quarter anymore

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I was thinking you know every week it's

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a dollar in a quarter that's where I get

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that figure I don't think you can do

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that anymore

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right now these local convenience store

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down the street from me that's a dollar

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fifty for the smallest cup of coffee

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she got make it yourself break out the

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old coffee maker and don't give them the

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business I don't know or they'll give

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you the business

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however coasts in any case a lot of our

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listeners write us and say you know what

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we like the UFO stuff and all but we've

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got to hear other subjects what about

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Bigfoot we do Bigfoot every so often

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what about ghosts well we do that from

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time to time we in fact we have a

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fascinating little book that we're going

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to talk about this week it's called the

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world's most haunted house at the most

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Momoa haunted house okay

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most the world's most haunted house

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that's quite a claim it's the true story

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of the Bridgeport poltergeist on Lindley

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Street from William Jay Hall and he's

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telling us here that when all this stuff

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happened back in 1974 he was a mere lad

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of ten years of age and apparently

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thousands of people way back then with

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this this phenomenon and part of what

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they're promising here in the book from

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William hall is interviews and

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documentation that has never previously

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been publicized 40 years not publicized

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gene I remember hearing about this case

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when I arrived in New York the following

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year in 75 I had a friend up in

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Bridgeport and they had mentioned this

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particular case and it's always

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fascinated me and of course the the

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Warren's got involved in Paulino and

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then several other notables and I'm

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really looking forward to speaking with

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Bill about all this we also have an

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amazing number of questions I know one

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of our regular posters at forum dr.

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Peric ascom Poulter worst has himself

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given us like this huge page of

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questions and if he were sitting here

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now he can probably do a host show from

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those quest

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but that's how many he is a great friend

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and a really loyal listener and we're

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happy that he and other people who

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listen to the show yeah I have taken you

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say danke

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indeed you speak German better than I do

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danke oh I know it's like danke Schoen

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that song which I hate that's all I know

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about it in any case this is gonna be an

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exciting episode a change of pace for

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the para cast so let's start with it the

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world's most haunted house from William

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J Hall a lot more to come maybe we'll

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have a poltergeist tonight now think so

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you today Anderson president of Midas

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believed that the government is doing a

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great job

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that the Fed will stop handing out

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trillions of dollars like bailout candy

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that Social Security would be there for

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you that's not what's happening

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you might even pass on gold if the

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stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

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or that the dollar would

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value or that your retirement will be

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secure if all looks rosy to you then now

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is not the time to buy goal for the

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realists there have never been more

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sobering reasons to diversify with goal

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since 2001 the US Dollar Index has

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tanked 30% while gold has risen three

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hundred percent right now savvy

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investors are adding gold to their

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portfolios you should to find out what

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they know

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guests I should point out to our

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listeners that if you listen to the

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child's voice on the tech night out live

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where they say they're here that's from

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the movie poltergeist which has nothing

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to do with this book so we have William

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J Hall he's author of the world's most

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haunted house the true story of the

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Bridgeport poltergeist on Lindley Street

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obviously you're telling us your age

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hear you say you were ten years old

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in 1974 when this thing happened yeah

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okay did you have any recollection of it

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then how did you become acquainted with

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this event well I mean I remembered

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seeing it on TV I couldn't tell you what

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what I saw since I was so young but it

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was a very big deal growing up in

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Bridgeport

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from that time on so my entire childhood

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I mean people had talked about it now

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and then it was quite a big deal this

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story actually went around the world but

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of course for those that grew up near

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there it became really part of the

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culture if you will it was one of those

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things that people talked about whenever

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conversation went to to those something

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weird but I got involved in it many

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years later after forgetting about it

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and doing other things and even though I

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wrote in a newspaper article magic in

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the unknown I ended up never really

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covering that case until one morning

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when I was just having coffee messing

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around on Facebook and I saw somebody

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post said hey does anybody remember the

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haunted house on Lilly Street and that's

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when it occurred to me you know I never

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really looked into that at all so I

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started googling and after reading about

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50 newspaper articles from around the

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country I was really motivated to find

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more about it it just seemed there was

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so many the volume and type of witnesses

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were such that you really see in these

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cases so I really wanted to dig into it

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from there now in looking over the book

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I'm seeing that the mention of 2,000

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witnesses and before we get into the

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specifics of the event I don't know of

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too many cases of any paranormal event

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where you have 2,000 witnesses let alone

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five or six right and and of course you

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know some of those people I you know you

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know do you believe all the people in

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the crowd I mean I'm sure there's a lot

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of rumors going on but there were things

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that happened that people in the crowd

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could see which certainly added to the

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amount of people but for me what

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mattered most was three quarters of the

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police department and you know over a

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dozen firefighters and newspaper

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reporters and priests and and the family

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and extended family and and all of those

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put together were really what would

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would did it for me

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because we all know you know you can

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have a thousand people outside look up

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in the sky and see a UFO and it could

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certainly be something ordinary that you

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know they just don't know how to

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identify but but this was really

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something else with the amount of

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witnesses like you said it's you know

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you're lucky enough to get one or two

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and that doesn't mean that it's fake if

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there's one or two but certainly this

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was kind of like the Roswell of haunted

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houses it was a rare occurrence where

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you know the paranormal got very very

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public now just very quickly here let's

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kind of paint your background so you're

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ten years old when this happened

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now before you got involved in writing

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about the paranormal and magic did you

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have any personal experiences to call on

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I actually didn't a few things now

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looking back you know I think perhaps

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they were you know can't really tell

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kind of look at things differently once

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you realize you know what's out there

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but I can't you know I didn't grow up in

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a haunted house or anything like that

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so Lilly Street was kind of a case that

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really sealed it for me as far - as far

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as verification on these things although

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I was open-minded you know I had friends

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and people close to me that had

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and you know they're not lying but yeah

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he always never quite can be sure of

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what exactly they experience but Lindley

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Street was just you know I

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it probably is more evidence than if I

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saw it myself because if I saw it myself

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I don't know if they'd believe my own

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eyes right now being a magician though a

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lot of times when a person is a magician

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you assume they're skeptical of anything

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really paranormal they figure it's all a

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fake yes and that's true it's you know

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you get very jaded when you see just how

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miraculous things could be fate and and

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and it's it's a problem it really is

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difficult to believe in so many things

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when you are a magician on the other

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hand a lot of us got into magic because

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of our curiosity the ability to wonder

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so on one hand yes were skeptical but I

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think it's a healthy skepticism you know

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I think that if you're James Randi Penn

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& Teller right right well you know you

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know that's the other end I mean James

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Randi doesn't believe in anything and

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you know I think he's done a lot of

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great work but he wouldn't believe

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himself if he saw something you know

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unlike Houdini who had an open mind but

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was a healthy skeptic saying you know

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I'm open I'm looking for it I want to

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find it but obviously I you know I don't

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want to be cheated either now of course

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the way he went about it made it so he

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was all going to come across

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fakers because he was going more into

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this stance and you know medium kind of

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things so when you go across those

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people that are public you're gonna get

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little all the fakes and charlatans and

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stuff in there but but I thought believe

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his heart was in the right place you

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know that he really he had you know an

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open mind and any for me yes quite

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skeptic if they just said a picture fell

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off the wall and United so I could do

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that

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a rocking chair rock by itself well I

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could do that when you get two

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refrigerators floating and and you just

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the the context of all the evidence you

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really got to look at the totality of

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the evidence and and that's where this

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makes a difference yeah and in this

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particular case has it all

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as hope seen it has real events it has

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total you know multi witnessed events it

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cannot be explained and yet it has at

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its center it has a very interesting

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little girl you know I think for our

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listeners who are not familiar with the

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case don't you think we should probably

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start at the beginning give a background

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on Marcia and her adoptive parents and

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and really kind of set the stage for the

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types of things we'll talk about later

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that before we do that let me tell you

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we have about a minute and 15 seconds

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before we break so let's do a very brief

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introduction on the young lady and then

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we could flesh that out in our next

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segment William right well before Marcia

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and talk about the Gooden family who was

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Laura and Jerry and they were

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middle-aged by the time this happened

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but and they had a little son Jerry jr.

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and he couldn't walk or talk or do

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anything for himself and he died when he

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was six and that's very important to the

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build up of the classic poltergeist

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situation which we can get into then

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marce Marcy's adoption after the break

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the world's most haunted house and the

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637
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you what you're gonna hear stuff here

638
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:11,780
that you probably won't hear anywhere

639
00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:15,680
else here that George Noory now I know

640
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:18,620
when Chris was doing his bumper the para

641
00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:21,290
cast he was very likely trying to

642
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consider what would a poltergeist sound

643
00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:30,340
that's funny

644
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:34,160
okay so this young lady tell us more

645
00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:36,260
about her she was adopted by the family

646
00:27:42,850 --> 00:27:39,980
yes after Jerry junior died about six

647
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,860
months later a a priesthood encouraged

648
00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:44,240
them that they may want to adopt a child

649
00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:48,950
and they they went and ended up being

650
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:51,740
placed with Marcia who was from Ontario

651
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:54,440
Canada and she was the youngest of nine

652
00:28:02,200 --> 00:27:59,210
children and nobody's quite sure of the

653
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:02,210
story with the you know with her family

654
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:04,020
other than she was the only child given

655
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:06,360
for adoption it was said that she was

656
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:08,220
tied to a chair which of course implies

657
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:10,020
abuse again we don't have a lot of

658
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:15,090
context around any of that and she was a

659
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:18,930
five nations Indian girl and they

660
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:21,930
adopted her and she's very very shy and

661
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:25,260
introverted the adoption of course is a

662
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:28,260
big enough deal in itself and then add

663
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:30,510
to that being in downtown Bridgeport

664
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:32,070
Connecticut she really didn't fit in

665
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:35,330
with the Italian and African American

666
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:38,520
community there so they made fun of her

667
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:41,820
at school with a color of her skin plus

668
00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:43,320
being so shy and withdrawn that

669
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:45,420
naturally make sure your makes you a

670
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:48,600
target and after about a year being

671
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:51,930
picked on she's beaten up by a boy in

672
00:28:57,290 --> 00:28:54,900
the cafeteria how old was she when she

673
00:28:58,670 --> 00:28:57,300
was adopted oh yes she was adopted she's

674
00:29:02,810 --> 00:28:58,680
four and a half years old

675
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,820
I mean we're beating her up well the the

676
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:05,340
beating up she was ten years old when

677
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:07,680
that happened so I'm you know I'm

678
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:10,380
condensing it somewhat but yes she

679
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:12,030
started out in Catholic school I was

680
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:14,100
doing okay and then Jerry's hours got

681
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:16,140
cut and switched her to read school in

682
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,410
Bridgeport which was a rougher you know

683
00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:22,080
inner-city a school situation there and

684
00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:24,180
so when she was beat up she was ten

685
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:26,790
years old and not that that's you know

686
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:29,490
that's any better really but you know

687
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:33,630
and she stuck at home with with Laura

688
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,570
mostly you know the mother and they were

689
00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:38,820
very very overprotective

690
00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:41,540
to an unhealthy degree with with Marci

691
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:44,280
because of losing Jerry junior they were

692
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:45,810
always scared something was gonna happen

693
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:47,850
to Marci don't let her cross the street

694
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:51,810
she may die don't let her go to walk the

695
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:54,630
school she may die so they really had

696
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:57,450
this kind of unhealthy parenting style

697
00:30:01,640 --> 00:29:58,860
which didn't add to all the other

698
00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:01,650
problems and it was during this six

699
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:04,680
weeks of being at home in this tiny

700
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:06,930
little house I mean that their house was

701
00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:10,020
a little bungalow 738 square feet it was

702
00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:12,780
a real tiny little place she was stuck

703
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:15,780
there in a soft body brace recuperating

704
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:17,230
from being beat up

705
00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:20,580
and at the end of six weeks of being

706
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,620
tutored at home and stuck you know with

707
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,880
the mother and they were kind of like

708
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:26,559
flint and steel she was more of a

709
00:30:31,409 --> 00:30:27,570
daddy's girl

710
00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:31,419
that's when this this explosion of

711
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:34,389
poltergeist activity took place that

712
00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:37,090
almost explains it yeah yeah I mean

713
00:30:40,649 --> 00:30:38,440
there was enough going on in the house

714
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:40,659
without the poltergeists but you could

715
00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:43,570
see this is a classic kind of you know

716
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:46,630
set up for a poltergeist and I'm a bit

717
00:30:52,769 --> 00:30:51,279
different than some and in that I don't

718
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:52,779
you know one of the theories of course

719
00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:55,330
is the RS BK I'm not big in I'm

720
00:31:00,029 --> 00:30:57,399
open-minded as to what it could be but I

721
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:00,039
tend to think it's not that but we all

722
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,230
agree Marcy was definitely at the center

723
00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:04,960
of it as a matter of fact shortly after

724
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:09,909
she was adopted in 1968 is when anything

725
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,190
of a paranormal nature started a very

726
00:31:16,259 --> 00:31:14,320
very mild you know the parents didn't

727
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:16,269
know it was of course they didn't use

728
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:18,010
the word paranormal back then but didn't

729
00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:19,510
know it was supernatural or anything

730
00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:22,630
just Gerry actually thought he might be

731
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,279
gone a little crazy you know you saw

732
00:31:28,379 --> 00:31:26,559
door move a little or teaser being

733
00:31:31,409 --> 00:31:28,389
misplaced thought I'd pulled the chair

734
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:31,419
and you know that kind of activity so

735
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:34,590
wasn't very big at all but that happened

736
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:37,330
coinciding you know with the adoption of

737
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:40,330
Marcy shortly after so there was a lull

738
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:43,870
then between the adoption and some

739
00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:45,940
indication of something that that that

740
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:48,460
was dismissed by the parents and then

741
00:31:52,379 --> 00:31:50,350
another four or five years later that's

742
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:52,389
when we really start getting into into

743
00:31:58,259 --> 00:31:55,330
the you know the amazing events that

744
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,269
transpired after she'd been beat up in

745
00:32:02,580 --> 00:31:59,679
him was spending time at home now I

746
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:02,590
think that's an interesting insightful

747
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:06,130
sort of scenario there yeah yeah that

748
00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:09,490
really that really brought it up a notch

749
00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:12,549
the the stage two of it you know I said

750
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:14,980
after 68 there was some mild things but

751
00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:19,570
in 1971 November 71 banging sound

752
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:21,880
started on the interior and exterior of

753
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:23,500
the walls and it would actually follow

754
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:28,240
them you know room to room and mostly

755
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,770
Laura because she

756
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:31,360
was home during the day so whenever the

757
00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:33,160
noise occurred during the day you know

758
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:34,870
she would complaint it follow her room

759
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:36,850
the room jury would call from work and

760
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:39,070
hear these sounds but it was all hours

761
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,110
of the day day and night mostly in

762
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:43,360
November and this was in 1971

763
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:45,490
all right so Marcy was not at home at

764
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:47,380
this this point or what she was right

765
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:49,960
now she was not at home okay so we have

766
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:52,360
a clear examples of something unusual

767
00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:54,190
occurring without her being present I

768
00:32:59,790 --> 00:32:57,340
think that's also important yeah in fact

769
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:59,800
in the appendix of the book I made a

770
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:01,720
list of all the incidents and where was

771
00:33:05,010 --> 00:33:03,430
Marcy because of course you know when

772
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:05,020
this was called a hoax she was blamed

773
00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:10,450
for it too but there were just a ton of

774
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:12,400
incidents where she was just not in the

775
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:15,670
house at all and the banging sounds were

776
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:17,950
a good example obviously she was in the

777
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:19,870
house you know later on and during the

778
00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:23,200
night but yeah that was different and so

779
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:25,660
that happened in 1971 and you know jury

780
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:27,520
complained about it but nobody was able

781
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:30,190
to figure out the police and firemen and

782
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:32,500
civil engineers they didn't understand

783
00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:35,890
what was going on and so Jerry thought

784
00:33:39,870 --> 00:33:38,380
it may be a neighbor or construction on

785
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:39,880
the hospital you know he's looking for

786
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:42,250
all those kinds of connections yes so so

787
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:44,260
for the record reports were actually

788
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:47,590
made to civil authorities this was put

789
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:50,560
on the record yes yeah in fact

790
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:51,610
lieutenant

791
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:54,370
Cocco later on who was you know the

792
00:34:00,030 --> 00:33:55,810
lieutenant in charge of the situation

793
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:00,040
from 74 did did back up the good in

794
00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:02,590
saying that you know this is not their

795
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:06,340
first call you know for trouble in fact

796
00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:07,870
the good ins never actually called the

797
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:09,550
police but that's the you know we'll get

798
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:12,310
to that but so the lieutenant did say

799
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:13,600
that because some people were saying

800
00:34:18,419 --> 00:34:16,149
well because the Exorcist came out in 73

801
00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:18,429
that you know the families make it a big

802
00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:20,440
deal out of that but they're there their

803
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:22,360
first calls to the police were in their

804
00:34:28,169 --> 00:34:25,030
early 70s you know as a result of the

805
00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:28,179
banging and so they complain to those

806
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:32,590
noises and then in 1972 in November the

807
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:37,419
noises started again and they their

808
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:39,370
neighbor across the street it was a

809
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:41,890
friend a friend neighbor and also is a

810
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:43,300
Bridgeport police officer

811
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:46,270
Officer John Holsworth said Jerry why

812
00:34:52,169 --> 00:34:49,210
don't we why don't we record these

813
00:34:54,930 --> 00:34:52,179
sounds so that the police will better be

814
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:54,940
able to identify what they are so they

815
00:35:01,530 --> 00:34:58,410
did that they set up a tape recorder and

816
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:01,540
recorded the sounds and that was during

817
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:02,980
the middle of the night so you know

818
00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:06,540
Laura and Marcie were sleeping and

819
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:09,190
officer Holsworth and Jerry recorded the

820
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:11,320
sounds and actually that tape was given

821
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:13,870
to Ed and Lorraine Warren who listeners

822
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:16,420
may know from the conjuring if you know

823
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:19,990
they're out of the area and Ed and

824
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:21,460
Lorraine Warren ended up giving it to

825
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:23,470
Boyce Beatty the lead investigator and

826
00:35:29,550 --> 00:35:26,470
then boys ended up giving it to me and

827
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,560
actually that's on a web page from the

828
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:31,680
book so people can actually hear those

829
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:34,210
those sounds but that tape was recorded

830
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:37,780
in 72 and and you know once again they

831
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:39,250
couldn't figure out what the sounds were

832
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:43,780
but those sounds continued in 73 also

833
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:46,810
mostly November not exclusively and then

834
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:54,070
again in 1974 right before the larger

835
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,260
incidents that made this a you know

836
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:59,200
public worldwide event now that's the

837
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:01,260
big point of mention here the fact that

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00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:04,930
things happen before everything just

839
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,390
blew up in everybody's face there were

840
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:09,520
preliminary things there were the noises

841
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:11,590
things like that that kind of get you

842
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:14,020
prepared for what was to happen next

843
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at least seemed to be that direction the

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book is called the world's most haunted

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house the author is William hall and

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from our listeners in a few moments with

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a really good poltergeist voice here

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we'll have to get Chris on the special

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effects machine and maybe do a few of

960
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those things maybe for next Halloween

961
00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:37,380
okay so a preliminary thing now before

962
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:39,270
we go on to the main event here

963
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:42,320
the 1974 event so we flesh it out for

964
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:45,630
you call it in the book the world's most

965
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:47,640
haunted house is that your title or the

966
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:49,230
publishers

967
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,870
and I questioned that and said well you

968
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:56,160
know how could we call this the world's

969
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:57,750
most haunted house and they said well

970
00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:00,420
it's really meant to embody the public

971
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:03,840
nature of the event and you know so I

972
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:05,700
thought about it and I said okay you

973
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:09,120
know I can see that because you know me

974
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:11,490
being more on the humble side I was kind

975
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:15,900
of like well it's yeah call it that if

976
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:18,650
things have been going on since 74 but

977
00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:21,330
evidently as soon as they left all the

978
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:24,840
activity stopped they actually never

979
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:26,370
left the house but they did end up

980
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:27,960
getting you know getting rid of the

981
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:31,110
poltergeist situation but but yeah it

982
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:33,030
was meant to embody the you know the the

983
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:35,670
very public nature of the event and that

984
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:39,240
being so widespread so so I thought in

985
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:41,550
the end it was it was a you know nice

986
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:45,180
way to say it but but my original title

987
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,300
was was more about the address which of

988
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,800
course I wasn't thinking at all about

989
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:52,400
you know privacy and things like that it

990
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:54,660
probably was a good idea to change it

991
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:57,450
all right let's get back to what's

992
00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:58,920
happening here we're getting to the main

993
00:43:02,750 --> 00:42:59,430
event

994
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:02,760
it's not just the noises more happens

995
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:03,930
what's the prelude to that

996
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:08,190
well Jerry Laura and Marcy go to New

997
00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:08,610
York

998
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:11,550
as they do every other weekend to visit

999
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:13,950
family and they come back

1000
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:17,130
and Jerry is bringing in the groceries

1001
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:20,190
and Laura's in the kitchen and Marcy is

1002
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:24,630
still sleeping in the car and surgery's

1003
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,900
bringing in groceries and put Lourdes

1004
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:30,720
pudding eggs away and the table lifts up

1005
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:33,690
and flips throwing groceries around the

1006
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:37,980
kitchen and courts Laura screams she's a

1007
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,230
little bit you know neurotic and on edge

1008
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:42,420
to begin with and this certainly didn't

1009
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,910
help well for any that yes must suck

1010
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,680
when that happens Yeah right

1011
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:49,260
I count the amount of times it happens

1012
00:43:55,339 --> 00:43:51,990
to me there's a stand alone on Sylvania

1013
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:55,349
TV very heavy console that comes down

1014
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,990
and Laura's foot ends up breaking her

1015
00:44:02,000 --> 00:43:59,880
toe of course she doesn't know it's

1016
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:02,010
broken at that point in time so she

1017
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:05,430
screams and jury comes in there and more

1018
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:07,619
activity starts dishes are flying around

1019
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:08,280
the kitchen

1020
00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:12,630
a knife a set of knives and a block if

1021
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,670
the block actually pulls itself off the

1022
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:16,260
wall it's actually screwed to the wall

1023
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:17,849
and the knives come out and fly all over

1024
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:21,180
and it's so and naturally they're going

1025
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:24,599
a bit insane over it and suddenly comes

1026
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:25,950
down a little bit so they clean

1027
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,099
everything out and they get Marcie I

1028
00:44:34,819 --> 00:44:31,140
think everything up I'd be out of there

1029
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:34,829
yeah the door gone what and in Marcy's

1030
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:36,270
in the car asleep in this whole time

1031
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,390
she's sleeping yeah yeah now the reason

1032
00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:41,940
it's important you mentioned that that

1033
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:44,369
through these events she was not always

1034
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,710
in the house when this happened right

1035
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:48,540
and that's very important then maybe to

1036
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:50,220
emphasize again again especially when

1037
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:52,170
you pointed out that one of the early

1038
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,119
events occurred when she was not in the

1039
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:57,119
home so she's sleeping in the car right

1040
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,540
yeah there's I would probably I haven't

1041
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:02,819
divvied it out but I would say it's

1042
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:06,839
probably around 6040 5050 of events you

1043
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:09,230
know where she was there or not there

1044
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:12,150
but you know and it's funny what you say

1045
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:13,500
about you know I'd be out of the house

1046
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,050
and and you know I'm thinking I would

1047
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:18,420
too and what's really strange is in all

1048
00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:22,160
my research it appears that in real life

1049
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:25,160
people usually don't leave it's it's

1050
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:27,470
very strange and I but I guess there's a

1051
00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:31,160
lot of differences between these things

1052
00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:32,750
when they you know when they happen for

1053
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:35,420
real versus in Hollywood you know in

1054
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:37,130
Hollywood there's always one response

1055
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:39,170
which is you know scream and run and

1056
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:39,770
whatnot

1057
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:43,220
and in real life you get a variety of

1058
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:45,080
emotions you know you just don't get the

1059
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:47,570
one emotion now bear in mind Laura and

1060
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:48,920
jury didn't believe in the supernatural

1061
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:52,040
so you know they weren't sure what was

1062
00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:54,230
causing it but they weren't thinking it

1063
00:46:00,100 --> 00:45:57,800
was you know a ghost or a higher force

1064
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,110
or anything like that at least at this

1065
00:46:03,790 --> 00:46:01,760
point eventually they have to come to

1066
00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:03,800
terms and start questioning everything

1067
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:07,160
but so they're not really you know those

1068
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:09,110
kinds of people even though they are

1069
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:11,060
very religious so you can say in a sense

1070
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,650
well wouldn't they believe in this kind

1071
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:14,480
of stuff but they they were they're

1072
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:17,210
pretty simple people he's a maintenance

1073
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:20,290
man you know she's a housewife and

1074
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:22,550
they're just you're salt of the earth

1075
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:24,290
hard-working people and they they don't

1076
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:27,050
really believe in any of that stuff if

1077
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:29,870
he's above twice you know to put away

1078
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:31,790
the groceries and then throws knives

1079
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:34,430
around the room and toes get broken I

1080
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:36,310
would think that would be a wake-up call

1081
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:39,950
regardless of your belief system yeah

1082
00:46:45,490 --> 00:46:43,310
well I can't disagree with you I I can't

1083
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:45,500
possibly think of me doing anything but

1084
00:46:51,730 --> 00:46:50,180
running yeah that's me so and there were

1085
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:51,740
plenty of times where they didn't stay

1086
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:55,730
in the house but yeah but it's it's like

1087
00:47:00,520 --> 00:46:57,650
I said it's very wood that's one of the

1088
00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:00,530
things that I found to be most unusual

1089
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:03,740
is the tenacity of the people when

1090
00:47:07,570 --> 00:47:05,150
things happen in their own home they

1091
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:07,580
tend not to leave or if they do they

1092
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:10,670
tend to leave for periods of time versus

1093
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:13,850
you know permanently it takes then an

1094
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:16,910
awful lot to convince anybody to leave a

1095
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:19,460
home and things go wrong we're so tied

1096
00:47:26,830 --> 00:47:22,190
to our homes we have so much invested in

1097
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:26,840
it that even if the house is damaged you

1098
00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:29,090
want to rebuild it yeah I mean that

1099
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:31,100
that's a good point I mean like I said

1100
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:32,810
you know to Chris's point I would have

1101
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:34,820
been out the door I mean I'm thinking I

1102
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:35,740
would have been

1103
00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:37,510
imagine me being braver in real life

1104
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:39,880
than in my imagination but you know who

1105
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:44,470
knows but what they did it did it's

1106
00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:47,170
quiet it down so they they didn't know

1107
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:48,760
what to do when it's kind of the thing

1108
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:50,680
of now who do you talked about it they

1109
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:52,570
did stay up to about 3 a.m. that morning

1110
00:47:59,730 --> 00:47:57,430
and finally got to bed and Jerry woke up

1111
00:48:01,500 --> 00:47:59,740
the next morning and looked all around

1112
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:01,510
the house it be that's the start of

1113
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:03,610
their kind of new normal where Jerry

1114
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:05,110
would always be the one first in the

1115
00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:06,760
house it would always be the one to look

1116
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:08,440
around the house that kind of thing

1117
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:11,110
and he went that morning he found the

1118
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,470
refrigerator blocking the door and the

1119
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:16,720
table flipped again and they have these

1120
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:19,090
three recliner chairs in the living room

1121
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:21,190
and they were opening and closing by

1122
00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:23,860
themselves now that is a the point where

1123
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:26,140
Jerry said you know to himself you know

1124
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:29,020
that's it I mean went and woke up Laura

1125
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:32,020
and Marcie and they left the house on

1126
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,050
the porch and they were you know

1127
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:36,640
hysterical trying to get the attention

1128
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:41,530
of Janet the little daughter of officer

1129
00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:42,910
Holdsworth who lived across the street

1130
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:45,940
saying you know please go get your

1131
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:49,000
father we're in trouble here at the same

1132
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:51,910
time the only person that they called is

1133
00:48:58,109 --> 00:48:54,850
Laura had called she gave a quick call

1134
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:58,119
to the close friends of theirs to let

1135
00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:59,410
them know that they're in trouble they

1136
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,760
they actually didn't call the police

1137
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:03,760
which you know I I guess they figured

1138
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:06,250
what are the police going to do but but

1139
00:49:10,349 --> 00:49:08,530
the wife ended up calling the police the

1140
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:10,359
wife of the couple they called and then

1141
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:13,500
the husband went on his way to the home

1142
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,730
but I actually have a bit of an

1143
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:18,160
interview if now's a good time to play

1144
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:22,750
of officer John Holsworth being

1145
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:26,050
interviewed later that day and he'll

1146
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:28,450
explain how this all started how he got

1147
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:31,030
involved yeah perfect timing we'd love

1148
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:32,290
to hear it now we have only about two

1149
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:33,880
minutes left in this segment is the

1150
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:35,590
interview run longer than ran or what

1151
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,470
yeah it's about three and a half minutes

1152
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:40,240
let's do this let's head the next

1153
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:43,990
segment with the interview yes this is a

1154
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:49,119
great idea for depends the adult diaper

1155
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:51,930
people boy I'll tell you me make a great

1156
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:54,609
people a haunted house with knives

1157
00:49:58,499 --> 00:49:56,710
flipping around and stuff it'd be great

1158
00:50:01,019 --> 00:49:58,509
hey when this happens to you make sure

1159
00:50:03,299 --> 00:50:01,029
you got on your depends that's right

1160
00:50:05,309 --> 00:50:03,309
because you know even if you can control

1161
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:05,319
yourself you don't always have time to

1162
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:08,049
take a break then you know so we'll hear

1163
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:09,400
that interview are in the next segment

1164
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:10,660
but I want to mention because I was

1165
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:12,609
making kind of crack about it before

1166
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:14,650
about the so called poltergeist girl

1167
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:17,650
that says they're here and her name was

1168
00:50:20,819 --> 00:50:19,930
and I'll say was for a reason Heather

1169
00:50:24,509 --> 00:50:20,829
O'Rourke

1170
00:50:27,029 --> 00:50:24,519
and she died at the age of 12 years yeah

1171
00:50:29,339 --> 00:50:27,039
cardiac arrest really said beautiful

1172
00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:29,349
little blonde girl and that was her

1173
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:31,480
claim to fame but at five years old she

1174
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:33,849
appeared in this movie poltergeist which

1175
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,140
was a 1980 right and we use that we have

1176
00:50:44,009 --> 00:50:40,720
used that on my other radio show the

1177
00:50:46,339 --> 00:50:44,019
tech night out live for 12 years we've

1178
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:46,349
played the whole thing at the beginning

1179
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:48,690
but that's but she's talking about

1180
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:54,400
Microsoft when she says that no doubt it

1181
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:56,380
actually signified the fact that when

1182
00:51:00,539 --> 00:50:58,210
the tech night a live first debuted

1183
00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:00,549
there were two hosts myself and my son

1184
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:03,940
Grayson he of course decided to find a

1185
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:05,950
way to go as far as he could from his

1186
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:08,049
parents when he became old enough to go

1187
00:51:11,549 --> 00:51:09,640
out to seek his own fortune so he went

1188
00:51:14,249 --> 00:51:11,559
to Spain he might have thought about

1189
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:14,259
Australia but which is even farther away

1190
00:51:18,089 --> 00:51:16,569
from us obviously but he picked Spain

1191
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:18,099
because he had friends there I'm kidding

1192
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:20,460
grace is right he's gonna be here in

1193
00:51:25,049 --> 00:51:22,930
December Chris you'll meet him we have

1194
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:25,059
William Hall author of the world's most

1195
00:51:29,370 --> 00:51:26,410
haunted house and we'll hear that

1196
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,380
interview with an officer of the law in

1197
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:31,119
our next segment with gene and Chris

1198
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:39,910
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welcome back to to the para cast the

1256
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:02,500
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1257
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:11,650
now here's Jane Steinberg so right now

1258
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:13,150
we're going to hear an eyewitness

1259
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:15,900
interview of someone who investigated

1260
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:19,000
the world's most haunted house with

1261
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:22,960
William hall and gene and Chris so frame

1262
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:25,750
it William tell us more officer john

1263
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:27,970
Holsworth was the first police officer

1264
00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:31,150
to the scene he was off-duty and he was

1265
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:34,600
it was a neighbor and friend of the good

1266
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:36,280
and family lived right across the street

1267
00:54:40,590 --> 00:54:38,410
and there

1268
00:54:43,650 --> 00:54:40,600
hysterical cry for help from the porch

1269
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:43,660
got the attention of his daughter was

1270
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,610
walking the dog and said please go get

1271
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:47,680
your father you know we're in trouble

1272
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:52,330
here and he came over and went inside

1273
00:54:57,930 --> 00:54:54,360
while they were still on the porch and

1274
00:55:00,240 --> 00:54:57,940
witnessed a bunch of things and and

1275
00:55:02,610 --> 00:55:00,250
actually it was just recently giving a

1276
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:02,620
lecture and one of his family members

1277
00:55:09,390 --> 00:55:05,920
has showed up and said it it it changed

1278
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,400
his his life had some negative impact on

1279
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:11,920
him unfortunately but that's but and

1280
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:13,720
he's not with us anymore but this is an

1281
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:16,420
interview taking by the press later that

1282
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:20,070
day of his involvement and what he

1283
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:22,380
experienced and what the scene was like

1284
00:56:01,160 --> 00:55:40,590
[Music]

1285
00:56:01,170 --> 00:56:09,090
[Applause]

1286
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:18,290
[Music]

1287
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:42,020
[Applause]

1288
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:45,980
[Music]

1289
00:57:07,160 --> 00:56:49,260
there's five back three or four times

1290
00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:20,180
[Music]

1291
00:58:11,480 --> 00:57:59,500
[Laughter]

1292
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:20,210
[Applause]

1293
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:51,210
that was WOW it sounded pretty straight

1294
00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:53,410
ahead Jack webOS pretty impressive

1295
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:55,480
actually yeah I mean it's you know it's

1296
00:58:59,610 --> 00:58:57,490
funny all those guys where that was

1297
00:59:02,220 --> 00:58:59,620
quite impressed with the way they went

1298
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:02,230
about it I mean most all of them there

1299
00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:04,090
was one police officer that left the

1300
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:05,980
house but I mean he got hit with a cross

1301
00:59:09,029 --> 00:59:07,390
that came off the wall so I

1302
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:09,039
mean I can't say I wouldn't have done

1303
00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:11,470
any different but most of them you know

1304
00:59:15,569 --> 00:59:14,140
went to the phenomena you know they saw

1305
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:15,579
something happened they went and they

1306
00:59:20,359 --> 00:59:17,890
tried to eliminate all of the obvious

1307
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,369
things one particularly impressive

1308
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:22,960
observation police officer was saying

1309
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:25,720
when he was being interviewed you know

1310
00:59:29,789 --> 00:59:28,150
do you think this TV moved on him and he

1311
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,799
said do you think the TV somebody could

1312
00:59:33,329 --> 00:59:31,599
have pulled it with a string or somebody

1313
00:59:36,569 --> 00:59:33,339
said no absolutely not he said because I

1314
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:36,579
went over to it and the birra had dust

1315
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:39,220
on it the TV and especially in the old

1316
00:59:42,779 --> 00:59:40,569
days they had those runs under

1317
00:59:44,099 --> 00:59:42,789
underneath when Penna hurt your hands

1318
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,109
when you carry him a night after your

1319
00:59:48,809 --> 00:59:46,960
American foot and he said the TV the

1320
00:59:52,009 --> 00:59:48,819
marks it made in the mirror from the

1321
00:59:54,809 --> 00:59:52,019
dust were very precise in a semi-circle

1322
00:59:55,319 --> 00:59:54,819
just made from the underneath of the TV

1323
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:55,329
runs

1324
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,400
he said if somebody head was doing a

1325
01:00:01,980 --> 00:59:59,200
trick and tied something it would have

1326
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,990
dragged it across the dust disturbing it

1327
01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:04,000
to much greater degree in a much more

1328
01:00:08,819 --> 01:00:06,700
haphazard manner observations like that

1329
01:00:11,130 --> 01:00:08,829
were just they did it with just a really

1330
01:00:13,380 --> 01:00:11,140
great job in trying to look at these

1331
01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:13,390
things as they happened yeah with the

1332
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:15,190
refrigerator floating they looked under

1333
01:00:18,539 --> 01:00:16,930
it and on top and one one in the

1334
01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:18,549
basement even and looked at the ceiling

1335
01:00:23,309 --> 01:00:20,980
I mean these guys were really they

1336
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:23,319
really went about it in a very good way

1337
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,900
so it sounds to me like they were really

1338
01:00:30,089 --> 01:00:28,000
looking for possible evidence of

1339
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:30,099
trickery or something else not

1340
01:00:34,529 --> 01:00:32,680
necessarily trickery I mean the initial

1341
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,539
thing the police thought it was was

1342
01:00:40,349 --> 01:00:37,119
Marcy they did initially think it was

1343
01:00:41,999 --> 01:00:40,359
her until they saw things happen because

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things were happening in every single

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room

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that's when of course they of course

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:45,759
when they saw the refrigerator float

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01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,890
they knew then you know Marcy was off

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the table as far as why did they

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01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:52,150
initially suspect her what would give

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them the idea that a ten-year-old child

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would be able to manifest these types of

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effects well without knowing details of

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01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:01,630
the kinds of things that went on there

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01:01:06,569 --> 01:01:04,180
have been cases where kids would do that

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normally when Outsiders are brought in

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:09,339
it's quickly exposed could you yes you

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01:01:12,779 --> 01:01:11,170
can fool your parents maybe the parents

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01:01:15,450 --> 01:01:12,789
don't believe that it would be you but

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somebody outside would say okay if it's

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not the parents let's look at the child

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you know it's kind of a natural thing to

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do

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01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:23,590
but of course that was quickly put to

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rest when they were seeing things

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themselves and that's that's how strong

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01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:30,430
this activity was normally you to get a

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bunch of people entering an environment

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like this it's very unlikely you would

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see all this all these things happen at

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least initially you know usually things

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calm down and you have to wait quite a

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while before you see something and there

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01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:46,960
was a lot of people going in out of that

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:49,630
house there were things happening you

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01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,330
know in front of them which makes it an

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01:01:57,570 --> 01:01:55,119
extremely active case as these things go

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01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:57,580
well you know it's an interesting point

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01:02:01,859 --> 01:02:00,160
that I recall reading in the book he

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owned several points that you mentioned

1381
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how this November time period November

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December seem to be when this stuff

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occurred and October 31st the Halloween

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you know the day wasn't that the

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birthday or the the day their son died

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01:02:21,090 --> 01:02:18,730
or something I birthday yeah he was yeah

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01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:21,100
he was born on Halloween you you have to

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01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,800
wonder maybe the deceased child was

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01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:25,359
somehow involved in this on some level

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01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:28,150
yeah I mean that's that's one of the

1391
01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:32,380
theories you know I don't you know I

1392
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:36,070
can't really say it's there's actually

1393
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:38,230
boy there's a few different ways you can

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go some people said well you know maybe

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01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:43,210
it was going on and that's why she was

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given up for adoption and maybe this

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01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:47,440
thing went with her you know I mean who

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01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:50,440
knows that it definitely could be a

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01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:53,440
combination of any of those things did

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the Warrens or any of the investigators

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at the time contact or prior parents was

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was that a possibility were they somehow

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contacted and asked if similar events

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had occurred before the adoption or I

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know these records are normally sealed

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01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:12,730
about having been adopted myself but was

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there any attempt to do that

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house and we're painting a picture of an

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event that went far beyond what a normal

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poltergeist case if you call them normal

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goes now Chris asked you a question at

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the end of our previous segment William

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would you answer it

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yes certainly no there was from what I

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understand there wasn't an ability to

1533
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contact the prior you have the adoption

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family so unfortunate we don't know a

1535
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,630
lot about death the insinuation is that

1536
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:45,759
she was abused tied to a chair for many

1537
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:49,710
long hours and and that sort of thing so

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you know we don't have a lot of

1539
01:08:57,059 --> 01:08:54,970
information on them I did find out that

1540
01:08:58,170 --> 01:08:57,069
there were multiple which we can get

1541
01:09:01,860 --> 01:08:58,180
that it's later but there were multiple

1542
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:01,870
houses affected at the same time this

1543
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:04,930
broke out on Lindley Street which is

1544
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:06,850
interesting and that's something back in

1545
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:11,049
you know 1974 investigators really

1546
01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:13,799
didn't look for as much as we do today

1547
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:17,080
alright let's maybe segue to that for a

1548
01:09:21,059 --> 01:09:18,250
moment because there's a lot of ground

1549
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:21,069
to cover and interesting yes okay so

1550
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:24,779
other houses were affected how they had

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01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:27,730
to uh three houses that I that I

1552
01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:30,670
discovered that were haunted that start

1553
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:34,230
at the same time the Gooden's did with

1554
01:09:40,829 --> 01:09:37,390
with the explosion of activity not from

1555
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:40,839
68 with different kinds of entities much

1556
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:44,500
lower level kind of of hauntings you

1557
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:46,930
know voices footsteps things like that

1558
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:48,910
one of them is detailed in the book the

1559
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:50,089
other two didn't want to

1560
01:09:56,290 --> 01:09:53,089
really go into another than they

1561
01:09:57,939 --> 01:09:56,300
identified that they had trouble to and

1562
01:10:01,629 --> 01:09:57,949
they were all on the same side of the

1563
01:10:02,919 --> 01:10:01,639
street as as the Lindley home to I don't

1564
01:10:05,169 --> 01:10:02,929
know if that makes a difference I don't

1565
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,179
see why but it just happened to be that

1566
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:07,520
way there I would suspect there could

1567
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:10,400
even be more but of course as a matter

1568
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:13,369
of you know finding all those people

1569
01:10:17,649 --> 01:10:15,290
that of course many of them are no

1570
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,659
longer with us and so we you know we do

1571
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:19,040
know at the time in this explosion

1572
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:21,530
whatever it opens or whatever you know

1573
01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:23,710
you're police and poltergeists are

1574
01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:25,580
definitely let's some other things

1575
01:10:32,350 --> 01:10:28,520
through to that were like I said nothing

1576
01:10:35,020 --> 01:10:32,360
is nearly as explosive or varied as what

1577
01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:35,030
was experienced on Lindley Street but

1578
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:37,550
still there were there were some

1579
01:10:44,589 --> 01:10:42,110
entities one was a shadow person but you

1580
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:44,599
know lower level kind of hauntings not

1581
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:47,330
that there I hate to say lower level

1582
01:10:53,050 --> 01:10:49,369
because I mean it's very scary no matter

1583
01:10:55,180 --> 01:10:53,060
what level it is but you know so so that

1584
01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:55,190
was taking place two at the time so

1585
01:11:00,280 --> 01:10:57,260
basically there's no end to this

1586
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,290
you can basically segue to each house

1587
01:11:07,209 --> 01:11:02,480
and find a story like you said a shadow

1588
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:07,219
person so just before we get back to the

1589
01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:08,690
main incident here

1590
01:11:16,780 --> 01:11:10,550
what kind of shadow person are we

1591
01:11:19,089 --> 01:11:16,790
talking about it was actually Richard

1592
01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:19,099
the witness he described it to me as

1593
01:11:23,709 --> 01:11:21,830
like an Ewok looking figure and he does

1594
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:23,719
know anything about the paranormal to

1595
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:28,130
has been a funny but with the kind of

1596
01:11:31,419 --> 01:11:29,810
red glowing eyes that you see in the

1597
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:31,429
corner of your bedroom but he stayed up

1598
01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:33,110
all night it wasn't like sleep paralysis

1599
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:35,030
or anything and there were other things

1600
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:38,300
that happen in his house but and and

1601
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:41,420
that's an image of shadow people that is

1602
01:11:47,729 --> 01:11:44,090
commonly at least one form that's

1603
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:47,739
commonly you know record it but it was

1604
01:11:53,589 --> 01:11:50,570
you know didn't move around it basically

1605
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:53,599
stayed there he saw a little bit of

1606
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:55,610
movement but it wasn't like you know the

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01:11:59,919 --> 01:11:58,130
Lindley Street entities you know moved

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01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,929
all around and we're you know much

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01:12:04,150 --> 01:12:01,980
higher level of

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01:12:06,980 --> 01:12:04,160
pains in the mud sort of speak so

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01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:06,990
alright let's go back to the original

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01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:11,100
pain and then you know what tell us more

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01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:13,980
let's move to stage whatever there's so

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01:12:17,690 --> 01:12:14,730
many stages

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01:12:22,340 --> 01:12:17,700
how long did these things take place

1616
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,350
through what period of time well the as

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01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:24,840
far as the the public the public view

1618
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:27,780
that were and the most intense days were

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01:12:34,730 --> 01:12:32,090
Sunday and Monday and on Tuesday the

1620
01:12:36,980 --> 01:12:34,740
inspector and the superintendent

1621
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:36,990
announced that it was a hoax created by

1622
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:39,840
a little ten-year-old girl and it still

1623
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:43,710
went on after that the whole phenomena

1624
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:46,770
from very beginning to end would be 1968

1625
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:51,360
to January 1975 if we were look to look

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01:12:59,470 --> 01:12:53,070
at the most intense period we're talking

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01:13:02,900 --> 01:12:59,480
about November of 74 to the beginning of

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01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:02,910
1975 now was it always the same thing

1629
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:04,830
objects moving around the house that

1630
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:07,860
sort of thing well entities appeared in

1631
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:10,890
three different forms that was that was

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:13,290
at the height of it so that was one

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01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:15,570
thing but there were what kind of

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01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:17,390
vanities describe them in more detail

1635
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:22,220
sure the three different one was a

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01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:25,860
almost like a cardboard structure seen

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01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,990
by Father Charbonneau and the Warrens

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01:13:33,890 --> 01:13:30,000
that was in the basement and he was

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01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:33,900
doing a house blessing and then the the

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01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:36,030
more common part where there was four

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01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:38,510
witnessed and and they were seen as a

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:41,820
like translucent almost like it was

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:43,890
described as when you light a match and

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01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:45,770
you see the blurry part above the match

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01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:49,920
the shapes seen like that and there was

1646
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,450
four of them and they were described as

1647
01:13:59,450 --> 01:13:56,460
almost acting like they were in a pack

1648
01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:59,460
almost been effect quali no the seminary

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01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:02,040
the seminary student at the time his job

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01:14:09,170 --> 01:14:05,640
was to protect Marcy and he put Marcy

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01:14:10,730 --> 01:14:09,180
behind his his back and there was four

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01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:10,740
of them in front of him and one came

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01:14:16,530 --> 01:14:13,270
forward and he actually put his hand out

1654
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,540
and he was very shocked to feel that

1655
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:19,360
this thing was a biological being that's

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01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:21,370
the way he described it and in a he said

1657
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:24,220
he felt bone structure or almost a bird

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01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:26,650
like if he could compare it to something

1659
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:30,190
and it got around him and picked up

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:33,210
Marci and threw her across the room but

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01:14:38,610 --> 01:14:36,250
but that feeling of that biological

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01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:38,620
being was something he didn't share with

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01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:40,810
the warrants because they were yeah

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01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:42,610
everything was a you know demon to them

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01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:45,070
back then and that was his you know

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01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:47,140
bringing up to being in the seminary so

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01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:48,610
this kind of really threw him for a loop

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01:14:52,650 --> 01:14:50,020
and he didn't talk about it for about

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01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:52,660
thirty five years because it kind of

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01:14:59,730 --> 01:14:54,790
went against everything that everybody

1671
01:15:06,120 --> 01:14:59,740
said about these situations and then the

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:06,130
third entity type was more the described

1673
01:15:10,590 --> 01:15:08,890
as a yellow orange like billowing smoke

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01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:10,600
and at one point it filled the house

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:11,980
where they had to actually leave the

1676
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:16,090
house and of course other times the

1677
01:15:19,230 --> 01:15:17,710
appearance was simply couldn't see

1678
01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:19,240
something you couldn't see something but

1679
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:22,060
it was disturbing you know animals and

1680
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:26,110
doing other things speaking of animals

1681
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:28,770
there's a couple of very interesting

1682
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:32,460
incidents involving the family act and

1683
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:36,010
some would some people would say it

1684
01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:38,110
would be ventriloquism if it was a hoax

1685
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,780
but evidently the cat developed a

1686
01:15:44,370 --> 01:15:42,880
vocabulary you want to talk about that

1687
01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:44,380
real quick that's a question from

1688
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:48,280
Poulter worst who as I mean if we asked

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01:15:51,930 --> 01:15:50,170
all the questions that he has posted

1690
01:15:53,580 --> 01:15:51,940
here for you for your appearance on the

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01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:53,590
pair of cast we could spend the whole

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01:15:58,740 --> 01:15:55,900
show just talking about his questions

1693
01:16:01,710 --> 01:15:58,750
and a a big a big thank you for pull two

1694
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:01,720
words for being soaked so engaged in in

1695
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:04,210
this particular case he's quite up to

1696
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:06,130
speed on it I think you're staying here

1697
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:11,530
how close that name resembles the in

1698
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:13,930
phenomenon we're dealing with here well

1699
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:15,760
let me read what he said about that

1700
01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:17,830
first of all my forum nickname Poulter

1701
01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:19,780
worst is not intended to ridicule the

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01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:20,950
subject of poltergeist

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01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:23,350
let's now I got to leave the break then

1704
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we'll we'll go into that further okay so

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he

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[Music]

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so poulter worst assures us that he did

1818
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:11,260
not pick his name because of a

1819
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:13,150
connection to Fodor guys phenomena but

1820
01:21:19,860 --> 01:21:17,610
he asks really really intricate detailed

1821
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:19,870
knowledgeable questions Chris O'Brien

1822
01:21:25,470 --> 01:21:23,290
we're talking to William J hall author

1823
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:25,480
of the world's most haunted house Chris

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01:21:31,530 --> 01:21:29,170
so yeah we were before he went to break

1825
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:31,540
we were talking about the the family cat

1826
01:21:37,860 --> 01:21:34,780
and it's interesting to me when pets and

1827
01:21:39,690 --> 01:21:37,870
other biological creatures are brought

1828
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:39,700
into a case like this and this is

1829
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:41,890
particularly compelling once you give us

1830
01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:45,420
a quick background on that aspect yes

1831
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:49,180
Gerry swore up and down was very very

1832
01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:51,730
serious about it I'm not literally swore

1833
01:21:58,050 --> 01:21:54,340
but you know I mean he would hear

1834
01:22:00,780 --> 01:21:58,060
banging on the cellar door and he said

1835
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:00,790
the cat would say you know let me out

1836
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:02,290
you dirty Frenchman which of course

1837
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:03,850
everybody would laugh when he say that

1838
01:22:06,690 --> 01:22:05,650
and they would be very very serious

1839
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:06,700
about it

1840
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:09,610
and now he said the cat would say it but

1841
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,290
bear in mind of course he never saw the

1842
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,360
cat sayeth the cab was the only one down

1843
01:22:19,860 --> 01:22:16,000
the basement so therefore you know he

1844
01:22:22,220 --> 01:22:19,870
associated the two together and I think

1845
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,230
that's a that's a lot of what happened

1846
01:22:27,810 --> 01:22:24,880
with the cat there were other times

1847
01:22:31,890 --> 01:22:27,820
where police officers heard the cat

1848
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:31,900
speak and again they they thought I

1849
01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:34,060
don't believe the cat actually spoke I

1850
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:35,830
believe it definitely was audio

1851
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:38,110
phenomena now how well that audio

1852
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:40,180
phenomena was in sync with the

1853
01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:41,770
positioning the cat whether on purpose

1854
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:45,100
or you know by accident or you know just

1855
01:22:52,890 --> 01:22:49,120
through our own inability to be very

1856
01:22:54,630 --> 01:22:52,900
good hearers you know our hearings

1857
01:22:56,940 --> 01:22:54,640
horrible when it comes to direction all

1858
01:22:58,890 --> 01:22:56,950
that kind of stuff but but I look at it

1859
01:23:01,080 --> 01:22:58,900
as more of like a proximity effect of

1860
01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:01,090
whatever is close by gets associated

1861
01:23:05,370 --> 01:23:03,640
with the sound and it may be a little

1862
01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:05,380
bit more than that it may be like I said

1863
01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:07,660
you know something targeted by you know

1864
01:23:12,330 --> 01:23:10,120
whatever it is and Warren was quite mad

1865
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:12,340
he ran out of tape because he wanted to

1866
01:23:15,090 --> 01:23:14,230
record it because he was curious as to

1867
01:23:17,010 --> 01:23:15,100
whether

1868
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:17,020
the voice would come out at 8:00 on tape

1869
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:18,910
or whether it was more of a

1870
01:23:23,970 --> 01:23:21,400
hallucinating kind of now hallucinate

1871
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:23,980
but more of a just a phenomenon voice

1872
01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:27,040
where it doesn't record you know some

1873
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:28,720
things sometimes you record and later

1874
01:23:32,970 --> 01:23:31,270
you hear voices or something on them and

1875
01:23:35,220 --> 01:23:32,980
other times you record the voices they

1876
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:35,230
don't come out you know so but he had

1877
01:23:38,820 --> 01:23:36,910
run out of tape from doing interviews

1878
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:38,830
because he had wanted to get the that

1879
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:40,570
you know the corner called cat on tape

1880
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:42,820
but there was a lot of audio phenomena

1881
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:44,710
in the house I mean there was the

1882
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:47,830
footsteps the banging on the walls the

1883
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:51,370
knocking on doors and the police that

1884
01:23:56,730 --> 01:23:54,010
were on crowd duty sometimes did

1885
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:56,740
complain about the swans there was these

1886
01:24:02,000 --> 01:23:59,920
Swan planners that moved by themselves

1887
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:02,010
which is you know we're the crowd

1888
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:04,240
witnessing that phenomenon really comes

1889
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:08,020
into play and and they they heard these

1890
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:10,030
guttural voices and they said the swans

1891
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:12,190
are making you know these guttural

1892
01:24:17,550 --> 01:24:14,280
voices and again that's another case of

1893
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:17,560
was the the sound coming from them or

1894
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:19,390
was it just coming from the area and

1895
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:21,250
being associated with the swans because

1896
01:24:27,210 --> 01:24:24,910
they also moved down their own so that's

1897
01:24:29,220 --> 01:24:27,220
kind of the yeah the audio phenomena

1898
01:24:30,650 --> 01:24:29,230
going on there but now to make it more

1899
01:24:33,540 --> 01:24:30,660
complicated

1900
01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:33,550
Marcy did pretend to make the cat talk

1901
01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:36,040
not very good and it really didn't fool

1902
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:38,860
anybody but that ended up of course

1903
01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:42,970
being confused and you know with the

1904
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:45,070
other part of it making it part of that

1905
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:48,040
whole experience the one difference here

1906
01:24:51,570 --> 01:24:50,110
in the real cases versus you know the

1907
01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:51,580
horror movies is you know and you have

1908
01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:53,800
real people you have just a variety of

1909
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,630
things that happen that you know you

1910
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,280
don't experience in the horror movies

1911
01:25:01,080 --> 01:24:58,960
they don't build these things into them

1912
01:25:02,730 --> 01:25:01,090
the police officers ended when two

1913
01:25:04,590 --> 01:25:02,740
police officers ended up playing a joke

1914
01:25:07,290 --> 01:25:04,600
and another police officer and said

1915
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,300
Martha go great just yes right that's

1916
01:25:10,710 --> 01:25:08,800
what I'm saying it's just and you know

1917
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:10,720
and some of this stuff and I feel bad

1918
01:25:14,610 --> 01:25:12,310
cuz some of the people who you know

1919
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:14,620
would defend this is being real and you

1920
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:15,610
know I'd have to tell them know that

1921
01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:18,370
that part wasn't real that was the

1922
01:25:23,370 --> 01:25:20,590
officers plane to Joe that kind of begs

1923
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:23,380
the question why would Marci with all

1924
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:26,020
the real stuff be apparently real

1925
01:25:29,929 --> 01:25:28,169
phenomenon going on

1926
01:25:32,299 --> 01:25:29,939
would she kind of piggyback her

1927
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:32,309
particular agenda on to that and and

1928
01:25:36,889 --> 01:25:34,169
what would be the rationale for that

1929
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:36,899
number one and number two it sounds like

1930
01:25:41,989 --> 01:25:39,449
she wasn't really taking a lot of this

1931
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,999
as seriously as you would think because

1932
01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:44,159
she would then attempt to duplicate some

1933
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:46,199
of the effects or or maybe even create

1934
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:48,510
some of her own how do you look at the

1935
01:25:53,959 --> 01:25:51,510
psychology of a ten-year-old attempting

1936
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:53,969
to piggyback her own agenda on this well

1937
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:55,409
you know and that's one of the things

1938
01:26:02,479 --> 01:25:58,050
that that I did fine and and you know my

1939
01:26:03,739 --> 01:26:02,489
poltergeist research is the children and

1940
01:26:06,259 --> 01:26:03,749
it's tough because there's a you know

1941
01:26:08,659 --> 01:26:06,269
variety things going on but it almost

1942
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:08,669
appears and some have theorized that the

1943
01:26:14,270 --> 01:26:11,010
children have some sort of negative bond

1944
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:14,280
to these entities for lack of a better

1945
01:26:18,259 --> 01:26:16,260
word almost like a negative relationship

1946
01:26:20,959 --> 01:26:18,269
that they're each getting something out

1947
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:20,969
of it so that's one thing which may or

1948
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:23,820
may not be true but everybody was amazed

1949
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:26,130
that well you know Marcy doesn't seem as

1950
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,530
afraid as she should be or you know

1951
01:26:32,929 --> 01:26:30,719
she'd scream but then go back to doing

1952
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:32,939
other things you know and that's kind of

1953
01:26:37,909 --> 01:26:36,300
hard to explain because you know are the

1954
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:37,919
people on the scene and have an

1955
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:41,010
expectation that a child is supposed to

1956
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:43,110
be frightened to a certain degree by

1957
01:26:46,549 --> 01:26:45,449
certain levels of phenomena that they've

1958
01:26:48,770 --> 01:26:46,559
never seen before

1959
01:26:50,899 --> 01:26:48,780
and some of their assumptions I would

1960
01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:50,909
say probably are spot-on and others

1961
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:52,649
might be just what they think people

1962
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:56,010
should be reacting like almost like you

1963
01:26:59,179 --> 01:26:57,780
know we said well you know when the

1964
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:59,189
goons run out of the house you know in

1965
01:27:03,020 --> 01:27:01,320
real life people do stuff a little bit

1966
01:27:05,209 --> 01:27:03,030
different than you know then what we

1967
01:27:07,759 --> 01:27:05,219
expect but there were times she screamed

1968
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:07,769
cried wanted to get out of the house was

1969
01:27:12,679 --> 01:27:10,110
scared but there were plenty of times

1970
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,689
where she kind of she was excited there

1971
01:27:15,859 --> 01:27:14,159
was a lot of people in the house you

1972
01:27:17,929 --> 01:27:15,869
know she didn't have a lot of people to

1973
01:27:20,060 --> 01:27:17,939
talk to and you know when the policemen

1974
01:27:21,859 --> 01:27:20,070
are all there and talking to her and

1975
01:27:24,469 --> 01:27:21,869
paying attention she was getting

1976
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:24,479
attention too as well yeah yes so I

1977
01:27:29,899 --> 01:27:27,090
think we don't know behind the scenes

1978
01:27:31,759 --> 01:27:29,909
when she was more alone how she felt but

1979
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:31,769
certainly like some people so why'd they

1980
01:27:34,669 --> 01:27:33,449
stay in the house that next day or

1981
01:27:36,379 --> 01:27:34,679
whatever but there was a lot of people

1982
01:27:38,209 --> 01:27:36,389
there so that's the other thing and and

1983
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,219
then the Warrens told them if you leave

1984
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:40,400
this thing's gonna follow you that's

1985
01:27:45,310 --> 01:27:44,000
front-loading with that predict of

1986
01:27:46,570 --> 01:27:45,320
course they were at the point later on

1987
01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:46,580
where they were gonna leave and they

1988
01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:48,590
said you know we don't care it could try

1989
01:27:52,630 --> 01:27:50,750
to follow us but yeah or give it a shot

1990
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,640
anyway well let's talk about Ed and

1991
01:27:56,169 --> 01:27:54,080
Lorraine real quick

1992
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,179
of course the Warrens are very famous in

1993
01:28:01,360 --> 01:27:59,120
the annals of haunting investigations

1994
01:28:03,610 --> 01:28:01,370
The Amityville Horror case I believe was

1995
01:28:07,870 --> 01:28:03,620
one there have been a number of the

1996
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:07,880
years how soon after this story broke in

1997
01:28:12,189 --> 01:28:09,770
early November where the Warren's

1998
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:12,199
brought in to the to the case and give

1999
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:14,690
us kind of a sense of the front-loading

2000
01:28:18,970 --> 01:28:16,250
that they brought to bear they were

2001
01:28:20,770 --> 01:28:18,980
brought into the case after that all the

2002
01:28:23,979 --> 01:28:20,780
emergency vehicles were there and there

2003
01:28:26,620 --> 01:28:23,989
was already a crowd forming so this had

2004
01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:26,630
started to get public it was later on in

2005
01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:29,510
the day they were called by Mary

2006
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:31,670
Pascarella who was a neighbor of the

2007
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:32,150
Goodings

2008
01:28:38,260 --> 01:28:36,530
and she called and said she had seen the

2009
01:28:40,030 --> 01:28:38,270
Warrens at a lecture and called them and

2010
01:28:42,340 --> 01:28:40,040
said hey we've got a real real problem

2011
01:28:44,530 --> 01:28:42,350
down here and there's emergency vehicles

2012
01:28:47,020 --> 01:28:44,540
and everything and you know the family

2013
01:28:48,580 --> 01:28:47,030
is it's haunted and all the police are

2014
01:28:51,010 --> 01:28:48,590
coming out scared and so told him the

2015
01:28:52,810 --> 01:28:51,020
whole story and it first said he

2016
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:52,820
couldn't make it because he had a that

2017
01:28:56,410 --> 01:28:54,110
they were in the middle of doing a case

2018
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,420
at the time she pleaded with them saying

2019
01:29:01,000 --> 01:28:58,880
that this was really really bad and so

2020
01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:01,010
they said okay they'll come down they

2021
01:29:04,689 --> 01:29:02,750
called father Charbonneau who they work

2022
01:29:06,459 --> 01:29:04,699
with sometimes and you know he came down

2023
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:06,469
and Paulino was actually on his way to

2024
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:08,210
have dinner with the the Warrens

2025
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:10,850
Lorraine supposed to be an amazing cook

2026
01:29:16,030 --> 01:29:12,890
and matter of fact he still says to this

2027
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:16,040
day I'd never got my dinner but so he

2028
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:18,290
ended up going with them all four of

2029
01:29:23,979 --> 01:29:19,850
them went down the Lindley Street

2030
01:29:26,169 --> 01:29:23,989
together and it was I would say it was

2031
01:29:28,990 --> 01:29:26,179
early afternoon that they got there and

2032
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:29,000
they were there for most of that first

2033
01:29:34,570 --> 01:29:31,370
day when it when it really broke out and

2034
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:34,580
the very next day that was probably the

2035
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:37,130
worst day which is Monday and they were

2036
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:39,770
there quite a bit they were you know

2037
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:42,290
good comfort to the family their advice

2038
01:29:47,919 --> 01:29:44,510
was especially when they weren't there

2039
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,929
is you know if activity starts happening

2040
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:50,000
in a room everybody should get up and

2041
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:51,170
leave the room and go to a different

2042
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:52,400
room

2043
01:29:56,860 --> 01:29:54,230
and so that's what he told him to keep

2044
01:29:59,020 --> 01:29:56,870
doing and that'll help you know dispel

2045
01:30:02,800 --> 01:29:59,030
it or keep it more under control or you

2046
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:02,810
know and other than that they were more

2047
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:05,210
or less a comfort to the family that and

2048
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:08,690
and one of the priests was trying to get

2049
01:30:12,820 --> 01:30:11,090
an exorcism done of course you know not

2050
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:12,830
that I not that I believe that would

2051
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:15,050
help but nobody would have you know the

2052
01:30:19,300 --> 01:30:16,489
church would have never agreed to that

2053
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:19,310
once Associated Press took the story

2054
01:30:23,649 --> 01:30:20,960
around the world you know who wants to

2055
01:30:25,060 --> 01:30:23,659
get involved in that one you know it

2056
01:30:26,649 --> 01:30:25,070
sounds like it's really getting more and

2057
01:30:28,419 --> 01:30:26,659
more complicated by the second let's

2058
01:30:30,939 --> 01:30:28,429
continue with this with William hall

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joining Ian and Chris you're in the

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most haunted house it sure sounds like

2165
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:00,949
it with William hall explaining this so

2166
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:03,440
the Warrens come over to provide comfort

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01:35:10,270 --> 01:35:07,010
to the family impacted by this did that

2168
01:35:12,010 --> 01:35:10,280
help or hurt and what happened when they

2169
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:12,020
moved to another room did that bring the

2170
01:35:18,220 --> 01:35:15,770
phenomenon with it oh I would say

2171
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:18,230
overall I would say overall the Warrens

2172
01:35:28,030 --> 01:35:22,330
helped the one thing that they did that

2173
01:35:31,390 --> 01:35:28,040
really got to the good ends was and made

2174
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:31,400
toll calls to the press to get more

2175
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:33,770
press there oh boy I hate to see the

2176
01:35:40,419 --> 01:35:37,040
phone bill well yeah and that's you know

2177
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,429
here this is 1974 folks when it costs

2178
01:35:44,260 --> 01:35:42,080
you know like a dollar a minute to make

2179
01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:44,270
a long-distance call it's not getting 60

2180
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:47,030
minutes of international the second wait

2181
01:35:51,610 --> 01:35:48,650
a minute the warrants started calling

2182
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:51,620
more press yeah isn't that tantamount to

2183
01:35:56,140 --> 01:35:53,710
throwing gasoline on a fire

2184
01:35:58,240 --> 01:35:56,150
yes well and that's why they were bad

2185
01:36:00,100 --> 01:35:58,250
you know you know it had this whole

2186
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:00,110
opinion he wanted the world to know the

2187
01:36:04,959 --> 01:36:03,199
truth kind of thing there's plenty of

2188
01:36:07,419 --> 01:36:04,969
cases where they didn't call the press

2189
01:36:09,970 --> 01:36:07,429
in other words the people were already

2190
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:09,980
there so some could argue well was going

2191
01:36:17,050 --> 01:36:11,840
to happen anyhow but he certainly sped

2192
01:36:19,209 --> 01:36:17,060
it up and and got it moving faster into

2193
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:19,219
a wider area sooner because he was

2194
01:36:21,490 --> 01:36:20,810
calling New York and you know he was

2195
01:36:23,530 --> 01:36:21,500
calling the Maine

2196
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:23,540
your outlets to make sure this thing got

2197
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:25,970
out and of course the good ins are there

2198
01:36:30,370 --> 01:36:28,070
walking back and forth saying you know

2199
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:30,380
look at the people outside and yeah he

2200
01:36:35,410 --> 01:36:32,690
got it and he's bringing more people so

2201
01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:35,420
you could as so they really they were

2202
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:38,590
not happy at all with that and

2203
01:36:47,650 --> 01:36:45,170
ultimately later on when Marcy had said

2204
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:47,660
that she thought Lorraine put her hand

2205
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:50,690
under water to get the Bern is Lorraine

2206
01:36:56,860 --> 01:36:53,330
ended up having a spontaneous burn and

2207
01:36:58,840 --> 01:36:56,870
and you know I mean when they said that

2208
01:37:01,680 --> 01:36:58,850
that was it when the good and said you

2209
01:37:05,290 --> 01:37:01,690
know I don't want them here

2210
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:05,300
but I think that was kind of the straw

2211
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:08,390
that broke the camel's back was the you

2212
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:10,010
know those phone calls because that

2213
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:13,610
really was that was the horror of their

2214
01:37:17,770 --> 01:37:16,400
life is having to deal with the it's bad

2215
01:37:19,540 --> 01:37:17,780
enough all the stuff happened on the

2216
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:19,550
inside but you know jury can't go to

2217
01:37:23,770 --> 01:37:21,170
work and you got all these people

2218
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:23,780
outside it's just you can't live in the

2219
01:37:27,850 --> 01:37:24,890
community anymore

2220
01:37:29,710 --> 01:37:27,860
and and yeah he didn't like that at all

2221
01:37:31,570 --> 01:37:29,720
especially since he had never heard of

2222
01:37:33,310 --> 01:37:31,580
them either I mean you know the only

2223
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:33,320
reason he let the Warrens inside the

2224
01:37:38,530 --> 01:37:36,110
house was because they're friends

2225
01:37:40,210 --> 01:37:38,540
the Hoffmans who they initially called I

2226
01:37:42,610 --> 01:37:40,220
knew the warrants and then they said

2227
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:42,620
okay well knew of them not knew them

2228
01:37:47,710 --> 01:37:45,170
personally but you know overall aside

2229
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:47,720
from hussite from the toll calls

2230
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:49,850
yeah they stayed with the family for

2231
01:37:54,490 --> 01:37:52,250
quite a long time and the family never

2232
01:37:56,050 --> 01:37:54,500
thought to say hey don't you think you

2233
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:56,060
have some other place to go to

2234
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:00,080
oh no they welcome the company of police

2235
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:03,650
officers anybody who would stay there

2236
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:06,170
reporters you know come back for coffee

2237
01:38:11,110 --> 01:38:09,650
oh yeah ouch they really appreciated the

2238
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:11,120
company you know they certainly didn't

2239
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:14,000
want to be alone in the house and at

2240
01:38:18,370 --> 01:38:16,490
times they of course you know packed up

2241
01:38:20,770 --> 01:38:18,380
and went over family yeah they had a

2242
01:38:23,140 --> 01:38:20,780
night bag prepared at all times after

2243
01:38:24,700 --> 01:38:23,150
after a while from this and would pick

2244
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:24,710
up and leave when it got bad but now

2245
01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:27,110
they really they welcome the coffee and

2246
01:38:33,690 --> 01:38:30,280
the coffee the company and loved it and

2247
01:38:35,340 --> 01:38:33,700
and especially loves

2248
01:38:37,110 --> 01:38:35,350
you know the Warrens being there because

2249
01:38:38,850 --> 01:38:37,120
they knew about this at least they felt

2250
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:38,860
like you know people they didn't have to

2251
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:40,570
defend themselves as much that they were

2252
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:42,100
crazy or you know which they always

2253
01:38:43,950 --> 01:38:43,090
worried people are going to think

2254
01:38:47,490 --> 01:38:43,960
they're crazy

2255
01:38:49,110 --> 01:38:47,500
okay now let's kind of move along here

2256
01:38:50,670 --> 01:38:49,120
because we're past the halfway point of

2257
01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:50,680
the show and there's questions from

2258
01:38:53,940 --> 01:38:51,880
listeners and we're trying to kind of

2259
01:38:56,430 --> 01:38:53,950
summarize things as much as we can if

2260
01:38:58,200 --> 01:38:56,440
you want to know all the details read

2261
01:39:01,410 --> 01:38:58,210
the book the world's most haunted house

2262
01:39:02,610 --> 01:39:01,420
by William J Hall that's the long and

2263
01:39:04,890 --> 01:39:02,620
short of it okay

2264
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:04,900
so this episode continued for a while

2265
01:39:09,690 --> 01:39:07,450
but this was the peak and then things

2266
01:39:12,150 --> 01:39:09,700
kind of dieted down and what sense just

2267
01:39:16,770 --> 01:39:12,160
fewer instances every evening or

2268
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:16,780
whatever yeah it actually you know they

2269
01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:20,110
in December early December they they

2270
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:21,340
almost thought it was over

2271
01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:24,880
there was a period of days where you

2272
01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:26,230
know everything was okay and they

2273
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:28,180
actually got another dog and then things

2274
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:30,370
started happening again

2275
01:39:37,260 --> 01:39:35,530
and by that time Jerry ended up wiring

2276
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:37,270
most of the furniture to the wall and

2277
01:39:40,770 --> 01:39:39,010
they had packed a lot of things because

2278
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:40,780
they were gonna sell the house and they

2279
01:39:46,830 --> 01:39:44,890
didn't want things in the walls and some

2280
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:46,840
of the scariest things though happened

2281
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:49,410
that at least to me I feel that there

2282
01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:52,090
amongst the most disturbing of incidents

2283
01:39:59,670 --> 01:39:56,500
they came to that to the house and and

2284
01:40:02,100 --> 01:39:59,680
after getting after being out and Jerry

2285
01:40:05,490 --> 01:40:02,110
course you know we're going first and

2286
01:40:07,740 --> 01:40:05,500
the Christmas tree all the ornaments

2287
01:40:11,730 --> 01:40:07,750
were off of it and in a neat little

2288
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:11,740
water Lea pile on under the tree and and

2289
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:16,000
that really freaked Laura and Marcy out

2290
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:22,770
they started crying and and was afraid

2291
01:40:28,230 --> 01:40:26,230
and so that was that was pretty freaky

2292
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:28,240
and and the tree actually went through

2293
01:40:35,130 --> 01:40:30,970
the wire Jerry had a wire around the

2294
01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:35,140
tree that he put that he put into the

2295
01:40:40,980 --> 01:40:38,710
the and the wood from the windowsill he

2296
01:40:43,730 --> 01:40:40,990
had it had the wire going around the

2297
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:43,740
tree wrapped around the tree and then

2298
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:46,050
fastened at both ends to

2299
01:40:54,169 --> 01:40:51,500
to the windowsill and the tree ended up

2300
01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:54,179
through it somehow nobody really knew

2301
01:40:57,859 --> 01:40:56,280
and that was later on when the later in

2302
01:40:59,540 --> 01:40:57,869
December when the investigators were

2303
01:41:01,520 --> 01:40:59,550
there and they tried to duplicate it and

2304
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,530
get it to fall though it fell the wrong

2305
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:03,360
way that it would have fell it is just a

2306
01:41:09,709 --> 01:41:06,719
very bizarre experience but getting back

2307
01:41:11,930 --> 01:41:09,719
to the tree which by the way Jerry had

2308
01:41:14,419 --> 01:41:11,940
become so adept at trying to fight this

2309
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:14,429
thing that he he had a plastic bucket

2310
01:41:20,020 --> 01:41:16,500
that he puts cement in and he put the

2311
01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:20,030
tree into the bucket

2312
01:41:27,169 --> 01:41:25,980
and and so he was he was basically I he

2313
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:27,179
you know he was trying to fix the

2314
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:31,530
holidays the best he could and they also

2315
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:34,170
had a Madonna statue that the same

2316
01:41:39,979 --> 01:41:37,290
episode with the all the ornaments off

2317
01:41:41,660 --> 01:41:39,989
the tree where this Madonna statue was

2318
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:41,670
in the kitchen and the thumbs were off

2319
01:41:45,979 --> 01:41:43,110
of it and it didn't look like they were

2320
01:41:48,189 --> 01:41:45,989
chipped off he just Jerry described it

2321
01:41:52,069 --> 01:41:48,199
as it looks like looked like they were

2322
01:41:54,530 --> 01:41:52,079
smooth leaf like it was filed off and it

2323
01:41:58,549 --> 01:41:54,540
was smooth and they couldn't find the

2324
01:42:02,180 --> 01:41:58,559
thumbs anywhere and so naturally that

2325
01:42:05,089 --> 01:42:02,190
did not have Laura and a good a good

2326
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:05,099
state of mind but so things you know did

2327
01:42:11,359 --> 01:42:08,400
continue on like that with things moving

2328
01:42:14,540 --> 01:42:11,369
and and some of those you know Christmas

2329
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:14,550
incidents and you know they had they've

2330
01:42:20,299 --> 01:42:18,210
got a new dog when they thought it was

2331
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:20,309
over in early December and that poor dog

2332
01:42:23,569 --> 01:42:21,960
used to spent a lot of time under the

2333
01:42:27,589 --> 01:42:23,579
bed and Jerry felt kind of bad about

2334
01:42:29,569 --> 01:42:27,599
that because yeah yeah he invited

2335
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:29,579
something else into the house yeah you

2336
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:31,530
know I was that dog I'd be hiding under

2337
01:42:38,270 --> 01:42:35,040
the bed too boy dang yeah I mean they

2338
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:38,280
would come home and you know the dogs

2339
01:42:45,379 --> 01:42:41,610
not there and it's under the bed so you

2340
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:45,389
know that was kind of sad I play the dog

2341
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:48,030
now did it just reach a point where I

2342
01:42:51,740 --> 01:42:50,730
just kept dying off and one day it

2343
01:42:57,049 --> 01:42:51,750
stopped forever

2344
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:57,059
well it was it was less sporadic you

2345
01:42:59,570 --> 01:42:58,800
know I mean that height was the very

2346
01:43:01,370 --> 01:42:59,580
high you know

2347
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:01,380
identities and everything that was and

2348
01:43:05,810 --> 01:43:03,570
other than that it was here and there

2349
01:43:09,610 --> 01:43:05,820
with incidents you know like what I

2350
01:43:12,890 --> 01:43:09,620
described what really helped it stop was

2351
01:43:17,630 --> 01:43:12,900
father Doyle who was there initially in

2352
01:43:19,190 --> 01:43:17,640
support of the family he he met with he

2353
01:43:21,380 --> 01:43:19,200
was associated with st. Patrick's School

2354
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:21,390
and met with a social worker and

2355
01:43:25,690 --> 01:43:23,460
explained to them that you know he was

2356
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:25,700
at the house and this was all real and

2357
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:28,410
you know we need to get the Marcy back

2358
01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:31,170
to school in order to really help stop

2359
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:34,500
this and she can't go back to the other

2360
01:43:38,270 --> 01:43:36,510
school you know first of all the parents

2361
01:43:40,610 --> 01:43:38,280
aren't good yeah they said they're not

2362
01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:40,620
Jerry said I want this kid alive she's

2363
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,560
not going back to that school also so

2364
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:46,080
father Doyle negotiated a partial

2365
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:48,300
scholarship to the Catholic school to

2366
01:43:53,900 --> 01:43:51,420
make it affordable for the good ends to

2367
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:53,910
center back to Catholic school and once

2368
01:43:59,530 --> 01:43:56,960
she got back to st. Patrick's which was

2369
01:44:02,180 --> 01:43:59,540
you know just a much nicer environment

2370
01:44:02,660 --> 01:44:02,190
no people weren't making fun of her

2371
01:44:05,330 --> 01:44:02,670
there

2372
01:44:07,130 --> 01:44:05,340
you know she liked it and once she was

2373
01:44:10,970 --> 01:44:07,140
settled back in school that's when it

2374
01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:10,980
really dissipated and faded out well you

2375
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:12,900
know you've just kind of summarized the

2376
01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:14,610
connection I guess because before we

2377
01:44:20,380 --> 01:44:17,580
were talking about was the presence of

2378
01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:20,390
Marcy the trigger for these events and

2379
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:22,860
even if she wasn't in the house

2380
01:44:29,930 --> 01:44:27,050
physically they continued but once her

2381
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:29,940
psyche shall we say was calmed down she

2382
01:44:34,150 --> 01:44:32,100
got into a school environment that was

2383
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:34,160
more relaxing to her she wasn't being

2384
01:44:39,410 --> 01:44:36,690
believed by other students she wasn't

2385
01:44:42,170 --> 01:44:39,420
being subjected to all sorts of abuse

2386
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:42,180
because also in st. Patrick was the one

2387
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:43,760
that drove all the snakes out of Ireland

2388
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:49,050
well there is that but the point being

2389
01:44:57,290 --> 01:44:53,330
here is that once her mental condition

2390
01:45:00,350 --> 01:44:57,300
was calmer when things were better for

2391
01:45:01,540 --> 01:45:00,360
her these episodes stopped so that seems

2392
01:45:05,300 --> 01:45:01,550
to show the cause-and-effect

2393
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:05,310
relationship here that somehow her state

2394
01:45:10,190 --> 01:45:08,250
of being at the time brought about these

2395
01:45:13,459 --> 01:45:10,200
events let's get into more of this in a

2396
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:13,469
moment William hall author of the world

2397
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:16,320
most haunted house with Jean and Chris

2398
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,140
[Music]

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one of our our premiere posters that

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2454
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:27,030
good questions and in here's here's the

2455
01:48:30,530 --> 01:48:28,980
one I think that dovetails nicely into

2456
01:48:33,500 --> 01:48:30,540
the part of the show that we're talking

2457
01:48:35,540 --> 01:48:33,510
about he says in in so called

2458
01:48:37,970 --> 01:48:35,550
poltergeist in possession stories there

2459
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,980
is often a very confused young girl who

2460
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:39,600
is having to endure the extreme

2461
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,550
attitudes and beliefs of adults working

2462
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:43,920
against her what role do you think Mars

2463
01:48:48,650 --> 01:48:45,930
Marcy's Aboriginal identity and her

2464
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:48,660
adoptive mother strict Catholicism along

2465
01:48:51,710 --> 01:48:50,100
with the priests who studied the occult

2466
01:48:54,860 --> 01:48:51,720
and claimed evil was at work in their

2467
01:48:56,900 --> 01:48:54,870
home as to play in this case was she

2468
01:48:59,180 --> 01:48:56,910
just responding to the sudden cultural

2469
01:49:00,710 --> 01:48:59,190
conflict she was placed in due to her

2470
01:49:03,980 --> 01:49:00,720
adoption into a home with strong

2471
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:03,990
religious values that I would add her

2472
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:07,170
her genes didn't share basically she was

2473
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:09,930
Aboriginal combined with a priest who

2474
01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:11,730
studied the occult and claimed evil was

2475
01:49:15,710 --> 01:49:13,500
at work in the house what role do you

2476
01:49:18,590 --> 01:49:15,720
think those things had to play well I

2477
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:18,600
mean personally and and I put forth

2478
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:20,130
different theories in the book but I

2479
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:22,710
mean personally the best explanation

2480
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:27,450
that I heard is the multiverse one you

2481
01:49:30,350 --> 01:49:28,320
know the quantum

2482
01:49:33,310 --> 01:49:30,360
Kanak string theory you know parallel

2483
01:49:36,500 --> 01:49:33,320
world intersect that when a certain

2484
01:49:39,620 --> 01:49:36,510
number of things are at play the perfect

2485
01:49:41,839 --> 01:49:39,630
storm if you will that these entities or

2486
01:49:44,140 --> 01:49:41,849
parasites is some quality because they

2487
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:44,150
feed on that kind of negative energy

2488
01:49:49,129 --> 01:49:47,310
come through portal door dimension

2489
01:49:51,919 --> 01:49:49,139
whatever you want to call it that's what

2490
01:49:53,629 --> 01:49:51,929
I would interpret it as personally again

2491
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,639
you know I'm not saying I'm right

2492
01:49:57,140 --> 01:49:55,679
because you know all of this is of

2493
01:50:00,680 --> 01:49:57,150
course there's so much to learn in this

2494
01:50:04,339 --> 01:50:00,690
degree as far as Native American

2495
01:50:06,649 --> 01:50:04,349
background I would say that that may

2496
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:06,659
have played a part or may not have I

2497
01:50:13,450 --> 01:50:09,599
it's definitely true that that they're

2498
01:50:16,370 --> 01:50:13,460
more susceptible and able to see and

2499
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:16,380
accept the paranormal as normal I

2500
01:50:21,140 --> 01:50:18,000
believe you know so much more in tune

2501
01:50:23,419 --> 01:50:21,150
you know than us Westerners are overall

2502
01:50:26,330 --> 01:50:23,429
not all from summer of course deluded

2503
01:50:30,260 --> 01:50:26,340
like we are but and and the other thing

2504
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:30,270
is usually whether it's a child involved

2505
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:33,030
which is normally you know when we call

2506
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:35,610
it a poltergeist but there are plenty of

2507
01:50:39,770 --> 01:50:38,159
parasite attacks of this nature that

2508
01:50:42,919 --> 01:50:39,780
occur when there's something going on

2509
01:50:44,750 --> 01:50:42,929
with a person or a family may or may not

2510
01:50:46,430 --> 01:50:44,760
involve a teen poltergeist of course

2511
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:46,440
normally involved you know preteen or

2512
01:50:53,330 --> 01:50:51,210
teen and that's why you know a lot of

2513
01:50:55,459 --> 01:50:53,340
investigators the first thing they they

2514
01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:55,469
look for is what's going on in the

2515
01:51:01,010 --> 01:50:57,590
family what's going on with the people

2516
01:51:02,540 --> 01:51:01,020
as opposed to a different kind of

2517
01:51:03,740 --> 01:51:02,550
haunting where you know if you leave the

2518
01:51:05,629 --> 01:51:03,750
house and it's somebody else's problem

2519
01:51:07,819 --> 01:51:05,639
you know and maybe it was there before

2520
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:07,829
you got there that kind of thing but in

2521
01:51:12,740 --> 01:51:10,489
these cases where something comes in

2522
01:51:14,419 --> 01:51:12,750
normally the first question you ask is

2523
01:51:15,770 --> 01:51:14,429
what's going on in the family and you

2524
01:51:18,649 --> 01:51:15,780
know in this case of course there's a

2525
01:51:21,229 --> 01:51:18,659
lot of tension and things going on from

2526
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:21,239
you know the adoption to the being beat

2527
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:24,320
up to the to the overprotective mother

2528
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:27,449
and you know in that very small space I

2529
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:29,130
think all of that was that final

2530
01:51:36,500 --> 01:51:33,570
ingredient the Lindley Street house was

2531
01:51:38,660 --> 01:51:36,510
I mean it was also a paranormal poster

2532
01:51:41,500 --> 01:51:38,670
child you know it was basically the

2533
01:51:44,230 --> 01:51:41,510
paranormal waiting to happen it

2534
01:51:47,770 --> 01:51:44,240
a lot electrical lines around that it

2535
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:47,780
said sandy soils and high water tables

2536
01:51:52,450 --> 01:51:49,760
there was a spring that ran directly

2537
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:52,460
under the house so those kinds of things

2538
01:51:58,840 --> 01:51:56,480
that that you know we see is someone

2539
01:52:00,340 --> 01:51:58,850
comin in these cases not that when you

2540
01:52:02,500 --> 01:52:00,350
have these things you automatically have

2541
01:52:04,540 --> 01:52:02,510
the paranormal but it certainly are kind

2542
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:04,550
of some of the other indicators we see

2543
01:52:12,430 --> 01:52:06,770
that put together with the family

2544
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:12,440
surrounding surrounded trauma seems to

2545
01:52:16,780 --> 01:52:15,650
be the final the final key and I'm sure

2546
01:52:18,270 --> 01:52:16,790
there's others that we don't know about

2547
01:52:21,460 --> 01:52:18,280
of course

2548
01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:21,470
well yeah interesting I've always had a

2549
01:52:30,730 --> 01:52:25,550
sense that flowing water in alternating

2550
01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:30,740
layers of clay and water tend to be

2551
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:34,150
present in and some pretty interesting

2552
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,130
geographic areas where strange events

2553
01:52:41,050 --> 01:52:38,960
are reported and and there's a history

2554
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:41,060
of strange events being reported so

2555
01:52:47,140 --> 01:52:45,050
that's an interesting insight well you

2556
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:47,150
know you mentioned originally that you

2557
01:52:53,050 --> 01:52:48,800
know when we first started that you

2558
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:53,060
started out as a skeptic how has this

2559
01:52:58,720 --> 01:52:55,970
particular case influenced your

2560
01:53:00,970 --> 01:52:58,730
particular process as a as an

2561
01:53:03,250 --> 01:53:00,980
investigator and a researcher and and

2562
01:53:05,020 --> 01:53:03,260
are there are there some other similar

2563
01:53:08,260 --> 01:53:05,030
type cases that you've been involved

2564
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:08,270
with that that we can see some sort of

2565
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:10,310
consistency between the lily house case

2566
01:53:17,530 --> 01:53:13,610
and others yeah great great questions

2567
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:17,540
well it definitely changed my my view of

2568
01:53:25,540 --> 01:53:20,710
the world basically it it made me

2569
01:53:27,010 --> 01:53:25,550
refocus on less Westerner ideas if that

2570
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:27,020
makes sense you know it made me really

2571
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:30,290
stop and think and once again realize

2572
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:32,330
that there's more quote unquote real

2573
01:53:38,380 --> 01:53:35,090
magic you know in our world and that and

2574
01:53:40,980 --> 01:53:38,390
now that I discovered it through Lindley

2575
01:53:44,590 --> 01:53:40,990
Street you know I really wanted to know

2576
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:44,600
more about this on the magic side of

2577
01:53:49,900 --> 01:53:48,320
things it kind of made me refocus for me

2578
01:53:51,730 --> 01:53:49,910
the advantage of being a magician was

2579
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:51,740
all you can tell if it's fake now

2580
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:53,250
learning to

2581
01:53:57,620 --> 01:53:55,500
those that know you know or our

2582
01:53:59,960 --> 01:53:57,630
experienced investigators a sight from

2583
01:54:02,630 --> 01:53:59,970
like fortune-telling that came kind of

2584
01:54:04,610 --> 01:54:02,640
things that's more I guess you're more

2585
01:54:07,310 --> 01:54:04,620
apt to find quote-unquote you know

2586
01:54:09,230 --> 01:54:07,320
charlatans or whatever but as far as you

2587
01:54:11,930 --> 01:54:09,240
don't want in houses and other kinds of

2588
01:54:15,530 --> 01:54:11,940
paranormal I'm finding the advantage is

2589
01:54:17,630 --> 01:54:15,540
not so much whether it's real or not I'm

2590
01:54:19,820 --> 01:54:17,640
finding that's only one part of it and

2591
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:19,830
obviously if you know people involved or

2592
01:54:23,150 --> 01:54:21,210
you know if you're right there you can

2593
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:23,160
actually have a better insight and skip

2594
01:54:27,470 --> 01:54:24,570
through a lot of what you would need to

2595
01:54:28,850 --> 01:54:27,480
do in a case like Leslie Street word you

2596
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:28,860
know you have to look at all the

2597
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:29,970
evidence because you weren't close

2598
01:54:34,910 --> 01:54:32,370
enough you weren't there you know but I

2599
01:54:39,050 --> 01:54:34,920
find it it helps me more now and the

2600
01:54:41,420 --> 01:54:39,060
questions that I ask I really try to to

2601
01:54:44,510 --> 01:54:41,430
broaden the way things are looked at

2602
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:44,520
versus what they appear to be you know I

2603
01:54:47,180 --> 01:54:45,930
hate to use the cachet things aren't

2604
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:47,190
always what they appear to be but I'll

2605
01:54:50,660 --> 01:54:48,840
give you an example and this is just one

2606
01:54:52,940 --> 01:54:50,670
of my thoughts it doesn't mean I believe

2607
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:52,950
this but I think it's an interesting way

2608
01:54:58,100 --> 01:54:55,920
for us to question further what appears

2609
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:58,110
to be kind of like a slam dunk obvious

2610
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:01,040
thing like possession most people view

2611
01:55:08,750 --> 01:55:04,790
possession if they believe in it as

2612
01:55:12,410 --> 01:55:08,760
something takes over the body it's evil

2613
01:55:14,990 --> 01:55:12,420
it needs to get out and you know my

2614
01:55:16,990 --> 01:55:15,000
magic background teaches me that that's

2615
01:55:19,460 --> 01:55:17,000
what it appears to look like but what if

2616
01:55:21,890 --> 01:55:19,470
it's stuck in there and doesn't want to

2617
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,900
be in there either you know did we ever

2618
01:55:25,730 --> 01:55:24,000
think of that now you can say well that

2619
01:55:28,340 --> 01:55:25,740
stupid bill and it may be like you know

2620
01:55:30,140 --> 01:55:28,350
it makes a lot of sense to me I mean if

2621
01:55:30,650 --> 01:55:30,150
one could be true the other could be as

2622
01:55:32,150 --> 01:55:30,660
well

2623
01:55:34,370 --> 01:55:32,160
yeah I mean I'm not saying I believe

2624
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:34,380
that but I mean a lot of I think our

2625
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:37,970
assumptions with the paranormal are very

2626
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:41,490
are very polarized and self-centered you

2627
01:55:47,090 --> 01:55:43,770
know like like even with the Lindley

2628
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:47,100
Street case the poltergeist is the

2629
01:55:51,410 --> 01:55:47,690
invader

2630
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:51,420
but when I look at the events did it

2631
01:55:56,060 --> 01:55:53,850
really want to be here you know I don't

2632
01:55:58,190 --> 01:55:56,070
know maybe maybe it's waiting for that

2633
01:55:59,900 --> 01:55:58,200
and wants to be there and it is all the

2634
01:56:03,040 --> 01:55:59,910
negative things that it appears to be

2635
01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:03,050
you know but on the other hand maybe

2636
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:06,030
it's suddenly stuck in our world saying

2637
01:56:08,439 --> 01:56:06,650
we're to have

2638
01:56:09,850 --> 01:56:08,449
and what am I doing here and I want to

2639
01:56:11,590 --> 01:56:09,860
get back home and you know in the

2640
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:11,600
meantime I'm gonna cause havoc because

2641
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,679
it whatever yeah throw a tantrum eh I

2642
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,360
don't know I mean that's you know that's

2643
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:19,280
a really interesting point because then

2644
01:56:24,910 --> 01:56:22,730
that that brings up the legitimacy of

2645
01:56:26,979 --> 01:56:24,920
the subjective interpretation that these

2646
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:26,989
things are evil they're demons they

2647
01:56:32,050 --> 01:56:30,080
they're up to no good they may be as

2648
01:56:35,140 --> 01:56:32,060
much a victim in the situation as the

2649
01:56:36,430 --> 01:56:35,150
little girl in the family looking at it

2650
01:56:39,790 --> 01:56:36,440
from that point of view and I I like

2651
01:56:42,459 --> 01:56:39,800
that oh thank you no but well you know I

2652
01:56:44,620 --> 01:56:42,469
think of it because I'm like evil I mean

2653
01:56:46,990 --> 01:56:44,630
to me a serial killer is an evil they're

2654
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:47,000
mentally ill you know they're wirings

2655
01:56:49,810 --> 01:56:48,050
broken

2656
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:49,820
I'm not saying let them go free and

2657
01:56:55,419 --> 01:56:53,090
support them and you know but our term

2658
01:56:59,500 --> 01:56:55,429
evil I mean we throw that word around I

2659
01:57:01,959 --> 01:56:59,510
think a little bit too too loosely I

2660
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:01,969
mean the three guys who tried to burn

2661
01:57:07,090 --> 01:57:03,890
the house down while the gooden's were

2662
01:57:08,890 --> 01:57:07,100
in there to another species from another

2663
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dimension or whatever that would look

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pretty evil but I don't believe those

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people were evil I believe they were

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[Applause]

2765
02:01:52,340 --> 02:01:48,000
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2766
02:02:00,570 --> 02:01:52,350
standard of paranormal radio and now

2767
02:02:01,860 --> 02:02:00,580
here's Jane Steinberg we're talking

2768
02:02:04,260 --> 02:02:01,870
about the world's most haunted house

2769
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:04,270
with liam hall and in response to

2770
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:05,530
something that williams said in our

2771
02:02:09,870 --> 02:02:07,570
previous segment christa brian has

2772
02:02:12,690 --> 02:02:09,880
something to say yeah you know i'm

2773
02:02:15,450 --> 02:02:12,700
thinking back to my years in high school

2774
02:02:18,330 --> 02:02:15,460
which was when all this was taking place

2775
02:02:20,729 --> 02:02:18,340
and in my first year or my senior in

2776
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:20,739
high school and I remember seeing the

2777
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:23,650
Exorcist and the omen and and there were

2778
02:02:28,620 --> 02:02:25,840
a number of films that came out during

2779
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:28,630
this time period that really were quite

2780
02:02:33,870 --> 02:02:30,960
shocking to a lot of people and and

2781
02:02:35,729 --> 02:02:33,880
maybe opened up some sort of doors that

2782
02:02:37,380 --> 02:02:35,739
allowed some of these types of events to

2783
02:02:40,170 --> 02:02:37,390
occur of course you have the hamlin TV

2784
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:40,180
old case there's a number of cases from

2785
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:42,370
that time period that seem to be much

2786
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:44,590
more sensational and have much more

2787
02:02:48,570 --> 02:02:46,810
documentation and witnesses and that

2788
02:02:51,060 --> 02:02:48,580
sort of thing do you think somehow the

2789
02:02:53,130 --> 02:02:51,070
culture maybe you know inadvertently

2790
02:02:54,890 --> 02:02:53,140
triggering some of these types of events

2791
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:54,900
or or at least allowing the

2792
02:02:59,729 --> 02:02:57,370
psychological playing field to be such

2793
02:03:02,910 --> 02:02:59,739
that these types of events can occur

2794
02:03:06,030 --> 02:03:02,920
well I think you have a good point there

2795
02:03:09,780 --> 02:03:06,040
because from what from what I've learned

2796
02:03:11,820 --> 02:03:09,790
about these things the number one thing

2797
02:03:14,250 --> 02:03:11,830
that gets them there is attention you

2798
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:14,260
know they want attention and that

2799
02:03:19,110 --> 02:03:16,290
attention could be brought upon by

2800
02:03:20,850 --> 02:03:19,120
either in a natural way like in Lindley

2801
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:20,860
Street where somebody wasn't seeking the

2802
02:03:30,750 --> 02:03:24,730
attention of Loraine showed up well yeah

2803
02:03:32,250 --> 02:03:30,760
exactly yeah well then or it could be

2804
02:03:34,410 --> 02:03:32,260
you know through Ouija board where

2805
02:03:36,270 --> 02:03:34,420
somebody again is giving attention and

2806
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:36,280
that attention is what they what they

2807
02:03:41,250 --> 02:03:38,530
kind of need you know to breathe that

2808
02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:41,260
life into them sort of speaker you know

2809
02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:44,590
to to bridge that that gap you know when

2810
02:03:49,769 --> 02:03:48,670
when possible and then I'm told if you

2811
02:03:52,019 --> 02:03:49,779
don't pay attention

2812
02:03:53,549 --> 02:03:52,029
then you know the big kick and scream

2813
02:03:55,679 --> 02:03:53,559
and bring it up a notch just like a

2814
02:03:57,509 --> 02:03:55,689
child would and eventually if you

2815
02:03:59,879 --> 02:03:57,519
continue to not pay attention they you

2816
02:04:01,829 --> 02:03:59,889
know they go away almost like they can't

2817
02:04:03,329 --> 02:04:01,839
feed or you know whatever it is they get

2818
02:04:06,179 --> 02:04:03,339
on to all of this is interpretation

2819
02:04:07,709 --> 02:04:06,189
which is why I try to keep questioning

2820
02:04:11,339 --> 02:04:07,719
you know what else could it be what else

2821
02:04:13,739 --> 02:04:11,349
could it be kind of kind of kind of

2822
02:04:16,829 --> 02:04:13,749
thing as I go through it in my mind but

2823
02:04:18,989 --> 02:04:16,839
I think to your point you know the more

2824
02:04:22,199 --> 02:04:18,999
you the more it's talked about in that

2825
02:04:23,999 --> 02:04:22,209
kind of way that gets you to feel that

2826
02:04:27,179 --> 02:04:24,009
you know which the movies of course have

2827
02:04:29,009 --> 02:04:27,189
a great way of doing I think that could

2828
02:04:30,749 --> 02:04:29,019
be possible I think still all the other

2829
02:04:32,909 --> 02:04:30,759
ingredients have to be there but once

2830
02:04:34,679 --> 02:04:32,919
those ingredients are there and the

2831
02:04:39,239 --> 02:04:34,689
thing is present certainly all these

2832
02:04:42,059 --> 02:04:39,249
other beliefs and experiences could

2833
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:42,069
certainly hype it up a notch which is

2834
02:04:47,009 --> 02:04:45,609
why religion I see I don't and and a lot

2835
02:04:48,539 --> 02:04:47,019
of people disagree with me but I don't

2836
02:04:50,459 --> 02:04:48,549
think religion is anything do with this

2837
02:04:51,839 --> 02:04:50,469
stuff I I don't think this stuff reacts

2838
02:04:53,969 --> 02:04:51,849
to religion on it I don't think they

2839
02:04:56,309 --> 02:04:53,979
have one religion they may not have a

2840
02:04:58,979 --> 02:04:56,319
religion at all I don't know but I think

2841
02:05:00,989 --> 02:04:58,989
religion only helps if the family is

2842
02:05:04,079 --> 02:05:00,999
religious because what counts is what

2843
02:05:05,549 --> 02:05:04,089
brings peace to the family or you know

2844
02:05:07,379 --> 02:05:05,559
somebody to say well how come it attacks

2845
02:05:09,089 --> 02:05:07,389
religious stuff if it's not evil well

2846
02:05:11,459 --> 02:05:09,099
maybe it's because it sees that you're

2847
02:05:13,649 --> 02:05:11,469
placing so much importance on it it

2848
02:05:15,449 --> 02:05:13,659
knows if it knocks that over it's really

2849
02:05:18,569 --> 02:05:15,459
going to get your attention and and it

2850
02:05:21,019 --> 02:05:18,579
wants to push buttons so I think we have

2851
02:05:23,219 --> 02:05:21,029
to really not look at things so

2852
02:05:26,459 --> 02:05:23,229
simplistically to say if it knocks over

2853
02:05:29,429 --> 02:05:26,469
crosses evil how about this do we have

2854
02:05:33,779 --> 02:05:29,439
any good quality haunting cases or

2855
02:05:37,319 --> 02:05:33,789
poltergeist cases or possessions of

2856
02:05:38,609 --> 02:05:37,329
someone who is uh an avowed atheist okay

2857
02:05:40,469 --> 02:05:38,619
even any of that

2858
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:40,479
oh well exactly there's Buddhist that

2859
02:05:45,059 --> 02:05:42,729
have you know poltergeists and and and

2860
02:05:47,879 --> 02:05:45,069
atheists and sure as a matter of fact I

2861
02:05:50,489 --> 02:05:47,889
know investigator who never uses

2862
02:05:53,009 --> 02:05:50,499
religion and has possession or whatever

2863
02:05:55,439 --> 02:05:53,019
has you know solved every case using the

2864
02:05:57,029 --> 02:05:55,449
very simplistic formula getting to the

2865
02:05:59,369 --> 02:05:57,039
problem in the family teaching the

2866
02:06:00,660 --> 02:05:59,379
family how to ignore which is difficult

2867
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:00,670
but you know

2868
02:06:05,190 --> 02:06:02,290
as a matter of fact Paulino who later

2869
02:06:06,830 --> 02:06:05,200
became a pretty prominent paranormal

2870
02:06:10,500 --> 02:06:06,840
investigator he got rid of a poltergeist

2871
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:10,510
using a joke book because that fit that

2872
02:06:16,970 --> 02:06:14,320
family and that brought that family you

2873
02:06:20,190 --> 02:06:16,980
know yeah the point is it doesn't matter

2874
02:06:23,220 --> 02:06:20,200
what it is it's it's it's a tool it's

2875
02:06:25,890 --> 02:06:23,230
whatever tool helps you and you know

2876
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:25,900
even the people who believe that that

2877
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:28,450
it's a religious event will say similar

2878
02:06:31,470 --> 02:06:29,770
things like the warrants would always

2879
02:06:33,150 --> 02:06:31,480
say well we always find that if the

2880
02:06:36,210 --> 02:06:33,160
family's religious and religion helps

2881
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:36,220
yes you're right that's why it helps

2882
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:37,930
could you believe you know if you

2883
02:06:42,300 --> 02:06:40,570
believed in it in a rabbit's foot you

2884
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:42,310
know that might have the same effect so

2885
02:06:47,730 --> 02:06:44,890
I'm not saying I'm an atheist I'm saying

2886
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:47,740
that for these parasites I don't think

2887
02:06:53,700 --> 02:06:51,250
one religion a very specific form of

2888
02:06:57,360 --> 02:06:53,710
religion is your answer I think it's

2889
02:07:00,990 --> 02:06:57,370
just part of the noise that we see and

2890
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:01,000
interpret Christ compose you yeah right

2891
02:07:05,400 --> 02:07:03,130
and and you know i think i think what

2892
02:07:07,320 --> 02:07:05,410
refrigerator floating i think even

2893
02:07:09,300 --> 02:07:07,330
within the parameters of like this

2894
02:07:11,070 --> 02:07:09,310
poltergeist experience we said well the

2895
02:07:13,050 --> 02:07:11,080
thing floated a refrigerator i don't

2896
02:07:16,530 --> 02:07:13,060
think it did i think that was that

2897
02:07:18,420 --> 02:07:16,540
energy over flat between between worlds

2898
02:07:20,730 --> 02:07:18,430
or dimensions or if you believe the

2899
02:07:23,100 --> 02:07:20,740
psychic subconscious mind think whatever

2900
02:07:24,750 --> 02:07:23,110
it is i believe that that's the energy i

2901
02:07:27,720 --> 02:07:24,760
don't believe that's an intentional act

2902
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:27,730
and and i have to steal from qual you

2903
02:07:31,890 --> 02:07:29,770
know again he described it to me very

2904
02:07:33,660 --> 02:07:31,900
nicely saying it's like when you have a

2905
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:33,670
stack of papers on a table on your run

2906
02:07:37,740 --> 02:07:35,920
by it if you're the poltergeist running

2907
02:07:39,180 --> 02:07:37,750
by it did you disturb the papers well

2908
02:07:40,590 --> 02:07:39,190
you know maybe but you didn't do it

2909
02:07:43,260 --> 02:07:40,600
intentionally it's just part of

2910
02:07:45,330 --> 02:07:43,270
everything that's going on there so when

2911
02:07:47,160 --> 02:07:45,340
marcy gets picked up and throwing then

2912
02:07:49,950 --> 02:07:47,170
you can argue okay that's a negative act

2913
02:07:51,780 --> 02:07:49,960
although even then we're still not quite

2914
02:07:53,970 --> 02:07:51,790
sure but what if it tried to hug her and

2915
02:07:55,950 --> 02:07:53,980
then was suddenly repelled by the energy

2916
02:07:58,230 --> 02:07:55,960
I mean you know I'm being facetious but

2917
02:08:00,570 --> 02:07:58,240
I you know that's a point well taken

2918
02:08:02,850 --> 02:08:00,580
speaking of Pauli you know we've been in

2919
02:08:05,190 --> 02:08:02,860
touch with Paul and we've invited him

2920
02:08:07,230 --> 02:08:05,200
back on the show he was an early guest

2921
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:07,240
on the pair of cast about five or six

2922
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:09,610
years ago and he's gonna be one of our

2923
02:08:14,010 --> 02:08:12,010
upcoming guests kind of taking this

2924
02:08:14,359 --> 02:08:14,020
whole idea of hauntings and poltergeist

2925
02:08:17,449 --> 02:08:14,369
Kay

2926
02:08:20,299 --> 02:08:17,459
is to take it a little further or you

2927
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:20,309
know just kind of riff around with this

2928
02:08:24,350 --> 02:08:22,530
a little bit because you know this has

2929
02:08:26,839 --> 02:08:24,360
always been a very fascinating subject

2930
02:08:29,029 --> 02:08:26,849
to me personally and having lived

2931
02:08:31,310 --> 02:08:29,039
actually you know what I considered to

2932
02:08:32,750 --> 02:08:31,320
be a haunted house and having been been

2933
02:08:34,399 --> 02:08:32,760
dragged around the country to some of

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02:08:37,399 --> 02:08:34,409
the most haunted sites in America is

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that as a cameraman and audio record

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02:08:42,500 --> 02:08:40,379
Asst you know I've always been very very

2937
02:08:43,839 --> 02:08:42,510
kind of agnostic about it thinking well

2938
02:08:46,399 --> 02:08:43,849
it's a lot of misinterpreted

2939
02:08:48,199 --> 02:08:46,409
coincidental stuff and then actually

2940
02:08:51,409 --> 02:08:48,209
being in some of these places

2941
02:08:54,919 --> 02:08:51,419
you know I'm not easily you know choking

2942
02:08:57,709 --> 02:08:54,929
up or fly you know you know I'm pretty

2943
02:08:59,719 --> 02:08:57,719
unflappable when it comes to a lot of

2944
02:09:02,330 --> 02:08:59,729
this stuff and I have been in some

2945
02:09:05,330 --> 02:09:02,340
places that I genuinely picked up

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02:09:06,770 --> 02:09:05,340
something really disturbing I think

2947
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would be the only term that I could come

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up with and there's there's definitely

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something going on in these cases at

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least some of them and really I do

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02:09:20,509 --> 02:09:18,149
admire bill your book it's filled with

2952
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:20,519
just blow-by-blow descriptions and we've

2953
02:09:23,359 --> 02:09:21,840
really only licked the tip of the

2954
02:09:25,639 --> 02:09:23,369
iceberg I mean there was a bunch of

2955
02:09:28,759 --> 02:09:25,649
stuff that went on especially in those

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02:09:31,759 --> 02:09:28,769
those those really intense days in

2957
02:09:34,250 --> 02:09:31,769
November 74 in this house and you know

2958
02:09:35,899 --> 02:09:34,260
but people have put in a bunch of

2959
02:09:39,049 --> 02:09:35,909
questions here I think we've we really

2960
02:09:41,299 --> 02:09:39,059
looked at a lot of them but um one thing

2961
02:09:43,310 --> 02:09:41,309
that that interests me is that Marcy

2962
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took off as soon as she turned 18 boom

2963
02:09:47,179 --> 02:09:45,749
she took off and quickly if I'm wrong

2964
02:09:49,699 --> 02:09:47,189
but but she's never been heard from

2965
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:49,709
since you know we'll get into that or a

2966
02:09:53,029 --> 02:09:51,570
next segment what happened to Marcy that

2967
02:09:55,909 --> 02:09:53,039
was a question I was about to ask also

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Duras I was really curious as to what

2969
02:09:59,959 --> 02:09:57,929
happened with her life so we're gonna

2970
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find out more about that but the book is

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called the world's most haunted house by

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William J Hall now we're going to give

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you a little bit of the rest of the

2974
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story what happened to Marcy she left

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home never heard from again you know one

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of these interesting stories

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you're on with gene and Kris you're in

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the barricades to the gold standard a

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paranormal radio right so you

3092
02:15:04,570 --> 02:15:01,910
disappeared for a second I thought I was

3093
02:15:06,850 --> 02:15:04,580
talking into a vacuum well it's because

3094
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:06,860
the poltergeist showed up evidently

3095
02:15:10,060 --> 02:15:09,530
somebody turned down my volume that was

3096
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:10,070
weird

3097
02:15:17,890 --> 02:15:16,370
that's the Poulter Skype yeah okay well

3098
02:15:21,130 --> 02:15:17,900
then we're in trouble now because he's

3099
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one of them people we all tell us what

3100
02:15:25,150 --> 02:15:23,000
happened to Marcy before we'd get to the

3101
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point where she left home what was her

3102
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life like once she went to Catholic

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school and her environment is shall we

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say more comforting and these episodes

3105
02:15:40,750 --> 02:15:37,010
have vanished what was her life between

3106
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:40,760
that point and age 18 well that's a

3107
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great what we don't know a lot about it

3108
02:15:45,670 --> 02:15:44,150
other than from people who went to

3109
02:15:48,100 --> 02:15:45,680
school with her who said you know she

3110
02:15:51,700 --> 02:15:48,110
continued she's a nice girl but yeah she

3111
02:15:54,610 --> 02:15:51,710
was very very shy very quiet even people

3112
02:15:56,020 --> 02:15:54,620
who tried to be friends with her she

3113
02:16:00,370 --> 02:15:56,030
would basically turn around and run away

3114
02:16:02,260 --> 02:16:00,380
you know being silent and really was

3115
02:16:05,740 --> 02:16:02,270
kind of a loner she was described as a

3116
02:16:08,170 --> 02:16:05,750
loner so people did try to be friends

3117
02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:08,180
with her and even still it was a lot of

3118
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:09,920
trouble being friends with her the one

3119
02:16:14,380 --> 02:16:11,570
or two people who were friends with her

3120
02:16:17,050 --> 02:16:14,390
were those that would have went over the

3121
02:16:19,590 --> 02:16:17,060
Gooden's house with their parents you

3122
02:16:22,600 --> 02:16:19,600
know where they had to be kind of

3123
02:16:24,670 --> 02:16:22,610
integrated into that whole scene in

3124
02:16:26,440 --> 02:16:24,680
order for her to eventually open up at

3125
02:16:28,810 --> 02:16:26,450
all to anybody but during that period of

3126
02:16:29,979 --> 02:16:28,820
time you know we don't know a lot you

3127
02:16:31,690 --> 02:16:29,989
know from the parents point of view

3128
02:16:35,410 --> 02:16:31,700
because they gave one last interview of

3129
02:16:38,140 --> 02:16:35,420
January of 1975 which was simply to say

3130
02:16:40,780 --> 02:16:38,150
number one you know we're not crazy and

3131
02:16:43,020 --> 02:16:40,790
number two Marcy didn't do it you know

3132
02:16:45,510 --> 02:16:43,030
that was said to get the crowds away

3133
02:16:48,090 --> 02:16:45,520
and after that they never spoke publicly

3134
02:16:50,010 --> 02:16:48,100
so you know we don't have a lot of

3135
02:16:52,460 --> 02:16:50,020
information as far as you know how the

3136
02:16:54,750 --> 02:16:52,470
family was doing like I said other than

3137
02:16:56,820 --> 02:16:54,760
people I spoke to went to school with

3138
02:16:58,500 --> 02:16:56,830
heard that you know basically said the

3139
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same kind of thing she continued to be

3140
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very shy and withdrawn and you know

3141
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people even tried to be friends with her

3142
02:17:09,510 --> 02:17:06,580
really went out of their way to and

3143
02:17:12,810 --> 02:17:09,520
still it was a you know a very difficult

3144
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:12,820
thing to get to that level choose more

3145
02:17:18,450 --> 02:17:15,280
friends around people than with them

3146
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:18,460
that that makes any sense so it it was

3147
02:17:23,580 --> 02:17:20,770
tough to get a lot of information around

3148
02:17:25,560 --> 02:17:23,590
around that it appears she wasn't happy

3149
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:25,570
with her parents but we you know that

3150
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:27,130
was through some christmas cards two

3151
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:30,250
boys baby the lead investigator but you

3152
02:17:34,710 --> 02:17:31,990
know again we don't know the context

3153
02:17:37,410 --> 02:17:34,720
that could be regular teenage angst or

3154
02:17:39,060 --> 02:17:37,420
it could be directly related to maybe a

3155
02:17:40,860 --> 02:17:39,070
difference in the way they treated her

3156
02:17:45,380 --> 02:17:40,870
afterwards or so I mean it had to be

3157
02:17:48,210 --> 02:17:45,390
quite is quite an event for anybody but

3158
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:48,220
you know I wonder maybe if they somehow

3159
02:17:53,430 --> 02:17:52,000
blame marcy at some level or or maybe

3160
02:17:56,190 --> 02:17:53,440
not I don't know but I could just

3161
02:17:59,010 --> 02:17:56,200
imagine it just being very very

3162
02:18:00,600 --> 02:17:59,020
difficult after that's all over it

3163
02:18:03,420 --> 02:18:00,610
really had to shake them because they

3164
02:18:07,050 --> 02:18:03,430
were an old school Catholic family and

3165
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:07,060
now they're faced with all this so you

3166
02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:08,290
know there's a lot of behind closed

3167
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:11,020
doors stuff that we don't know about but

3168
02:18:15,510 --> 02:18:13,210
we know she left at the age of 18 I

3169
02:18:18,420 --> 02:18:15,520
don't know exactly it she said she was

3170
02:18:21,680 --> 02:18:18,430
going to I know she was still in the

3171
02:18:25,770 --> 02:18:21,690
area you know when she was 19 maybe 20

3172
02:18:28,380 --> 02:18:25,780
but I would say it's safe to assume she

3173
02:18:30,780 --> 02:18:28,390
left the parents at that age what's

3174
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:30,790
interesting is in the parents you know

3175
02:18:38,430 --> 02:18:36,010
later on when when Laura dies 93 and

3176
02:18:41,100 --> 02:18:38,440
Jerry dies in 97 her name is never

3177
02:18:44,670 --> 02:18:41,110
mentioned and the obituaries

3178
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:44,680
and Laura's that didn't surprise me that

3179
02:18:49,950 --> 02:18:46,450
much concerns was kind of hers was a

3180
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:49,960
fatal car crash so it was very short but

3181
02:18:54,930 --> 02:18:53,200
Jerry's was a very very long you know he

3182
02:18:58,470 --> 02:18:54,940
was involved in this and that and you

3183
02:19:01,710 --> 02:18:58,480
know and and you know her name isn't

3184
02:19:03,541 --> 02:19:01,720
mentioned at all so I don't know I mean

3185
02:19:05,820 --> 02:19:03,551
I could have only assumed that maybe

3186
02:19:08,340 --> 02:19:05,830
that they were estranged themselves from

3187
02:19:10,890 --> 02:19:08,350
each others she withdraws from the

3188
02:19:12,930 --> 02:19:10,900
family she's around for a while then she

3189
02:19:16,110 --> 02:19:12,940
disappears has anyone heard from her

3190
02:19:18,270 --> 02:19:16,120
since or is that the end of her story no

3191
02:19:23,160 --> 02:19:18,280
as of a few years ago we believe that

3192
02:19:25,230 --> 02:19:23,170
she's doing okay and back in her where

3193
02:19:29,070 --> 02:19:25,240
she was originally from which is Ontario

3194
02:19:31,590 --> 02:19:29,080
Canada and that was as a few years ago

3195
02:19:34,860 --> 02:19:31,600
one of the witnesses who had Jerry as a

3196
02:19:38,730 --> 02:19:34,870
scout leader and Jerry was best friends

3197
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:38,740
with his dad his brother told him you

3198
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:41,770
know Marcy was was in Canada doing okay

3199
02:19:49,890 --> 02:19:46,960
of course the brother is now dead so so

3200
02:19:51,841 --> 02:19:49,900
the witness Dennis couldn't tell me what

3201
02:19:53,041 --> 02:19:51,851
okay means or you know you know what I

3202
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:53,051
mean because of course they didn't know

3203
02:19:57,930 --> 02:19:55,450
was gonna write a book so and I guess

3204
02:20:00,211 --> 02:19:57,940
his interest wasn't was in passing and

3205
02:20:03,631 --> 02:20:00,221
not as intense to ask what do you mean

3206
02:20:06,421 --> 02:20:03,641
okay what's she doing was you know so

3207
02:20:09,511 --> 02:20:06,431
you know it appears that she's she's

3208
02:20:12,001 --> 02:20:09,521
okay quote-unquote of course what we

3209
02:20:15,511 --> 02:20:12,011
find with I haven't found one

3210
02:20:19,051 --> 02:20:15,521
poltergeist case where the child has

3211
02:20:22,921 --> 02:20:19,061
been you know open to talking and that

3212
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,931
was in Enfield poltergeist case I think

3213
02:20:29,581 --> 02:20:24,880
it was Patty or something she came on

3214
02:20:32,700 --> 02:20:29,591
one show on TV and and was you know

3215
02:20:34,980 --> 02:20:32,710
ridiculed by some people and then that

3216
02:20:36,961 --> 02:20:34,990
was it so yeah there's not like a big

3217
02:20:38,881 --> 02:20:36,971
win for them to come forward and say

3218
02:20:40,860 --> 02:20:38,891
yeah that was me I was a freak back then

3219
02:20:42,780 --> 02:20:40,870
and you know I was the one who got

3220
02:20:47,370 --> 02:20:42,790
blamed for it all and but it was real

3221
02:20:50,551 --> 02:20:47,380
you know usually they actually there's a

3222
02:20:52,770 --> 02:20:50,561
few cases that I came across where

3223
02:20:54,011 --> 02:20:52,780
people didn't even tell their spouses

3224
02:20:56,350 --> 02:20:54,021
they kind of

3225
02:20:58,660 --> 02:20:56,360
almost like consciously kind of just

3226
02:21:01,421 --> 02:20:58,670
blocked that whole section of their life

3227
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:01,431
off I mean you know I guess unless your

3228
02:21:05,650 --> 02:21:03,200
partner has had that experience

3229
02:21:07,511 --> 02:21:05,660
themselves you know you know it's kind

3230
02:21:09,341 --> 02:21:07,521
of a no-win bringing all that stuff up

3231
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:09,351
again I guess is my point you know it

3232
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:11,450
seemed seems to be the trend there so

3233
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:14,210
basically here if anyone knows where

3234
02:21:18,761 --> 02:21:17,120
Marcy is or if Marcy hears this show by

3235
02:21:21,220 --> 02:21:18,771
some miracle and maybe if she's off on

3236
02:21:23,500 --> 02:21:21,230
the reservation she never will hear the

3237
02:21:24,700 --> 02:21:23,510
show we'd love to hear from her and hear

3238
02:21:26,381 --> 02:21:24,710
her story because now we're talking

3239
02:21:27,580 --> 02:21:26,391
about a woman who's about the same age

3240
02:21:29,980 --> 02:21:27,590
as you right William

3241
02:21:32,801 --> 02:21:29,990
yes exactly yeah exactly the same age as

3242
02:21:34,780 --> 02:21:32,811
me yeah it should be 50 well you brought

3243
02:21:36,761 --> 02:21:34,790
up the Enfield poltergeist case and that

3244
02:21:38,530 --> 02:21:36,771
leads me to a question here real quick

3245
02:21:42,551 --> 02:21:38,540
before we go to break from Poulter

3246
02:21:44,261 --> 02:21:42,561
worsts and he asks with witness reports

3247
02:21:46,301 --> 02:21:44,271
like those you present in the book and

3248
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:46,311
affidavits like that of the police woman

3249
02:21:50,051 --> 02:21:47,690
in the Enfield poltergeist

3250
02:21:52,270 --> 02:21:50,061
poltergeist case why is it that most

3251
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:52,280
people still seem to think there's

3252
02:21:57,551 --> 02:21:55,610
nothing to be seen well that's the six

3253
02:22:00,131 --> 02:21:57,561
million dollar question yeah what I've

3254
02:22:01,810 --> 02:22:00,141
learned from what I've learned from

3255
02:22:03,610 --> 02:22:01,820
Lindley Street because I mean if you

3256
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:03,620
want more witnesses in Lindley Street

3257
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:05,690
then yeah I don't know what to tell you

3258
02:22:13,030 --> 02:22:10,250
but I I think what Roswell and Lindley

3259
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:13,040
Street both taught me is doesn't matter

3260
02:22:18,250 --> 02:22:16,880
how many witnesses you have those who

3261
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:18,260
have made up their mind have made up

3262
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:22,250
their mind both on the belief side yeah

3263
02:22:26,140 --> 02:22:23,840
the belief side maybe you don't need any

3264
02:22:28,421 --> 02:22:26,150
witnesses which you know may be wrong

3265
02:22:31,961 --> 02:22:28,431
unless not always but you know what I'm

3266
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:31,971
saying or to the other side you know

3267
02:22:36,190 --> 02:22:34,130
like the amazing Randi who would say I

3268
02:22:37,690 --> 02:22:36,200
don't care how many witnesses you have I

3269
02:22:39,341 --> 02:22:37,700
didn't see it didn't happen and even if

3270
02:22:41,591 --> 02:22:39,351
I see it I won't believe myself so it

3271
02:22:43,301 --> 02:22:41,601
still didn't happen so I've learned that

3272
02:22:45,700 --> 02:22:43,311
the amount of witnesses doesn't matter I

3273
02:22:47,711 --> 02:22:45,710
think the only one of the reasons I

3274
02:22:50,830 --> 02:22:47,721
really wanted to write the book was for

3275
02:22:53,261 --> 02:22:50,840
the people in between the people who

3276
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:53,271
were like me you know they were healthy

3277
02:22:58,480 --> 02:22:57,050
skeptic but they weren't discounting

3278
02:23:01,841 --> 02:22:58,490
everything because they knew there was

3279
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:01,851
too much talked about too many logical

3280
02:23:05,921 --> 02:23:04,010
people people that even knew they had

3281
02:23:07,150 --> 02:23:05,931
some sort of circumstance for you to say

3282
02:23:09,220 --> 02:23:07,160
that it's all masses there

3283
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:09,230
in illusion all this other junk because

3284
02:23:12,820 --> 02:23:10,250
let's face it

3285
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:12,830
I wish mass hysteria and illusion

3286
02:23:15,820 --> 02:23:14,210
everything was that easy because it

3287
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:15,830
would have made my job as a magician a

3288
02:23:20,410 --> 02:23:18,650
lot easier it's just not as easy as

3289
02:23:23,020 --> 02:23:20,420
people make this stuff out to be you

3290
02:23:26,410 --> 02:23:23,030
know but I think that's what it's for

3291
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:26,420
the person who has who's open to it and

3292
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:28,730
if you're open to it then a case like

3293
02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:31,130
Enfield poltergeist urn Lindley Street

3294
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:34,970
will hold weight or perhaps introduce

3295
02:23:41,140 --> 02:23:38,570
somebody new into you know the world of

3296
02:23:43,540 --> 02:23:41,150
the paranormal who will later come

3297
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forward and maybe investigate or do a

3298
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radio show like you guys or participate

3299
02:23:50,261 --> 02:23:48,141
in some way towards at least asking

3300
02:23:52,660 --> 02:23:50,271
those questions that we all want to

3301
02:23:54,820 --> 02:23:52,670
learn at least some answers to but

3302
02:23:58,570 --> 02:23:54,830
unfortunately the amount of witnesses

3303
02:24:00,940 --> 02:23:58,580
just doesn't matter to people if they're

3304
02:24:03,790 --> 02:24:00,950
inclined or hardwired not to believe

3305
02:24:06,011 --> 02:24:03,800
anything like this occurs it would still

3306
02:24:08,051 --> 02:24:06,021
have to be mass hysteria though I don't

3307
02:24:09,780 --> 02:24:08,061
know how mass hysteria could possibly

3308
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:09,790
explain the refrigerator

3309
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[Music]

3418
02:29:01,690 --> 02:28:59,171
just very quickly William Hall in our

3419
02:29:05,281 --> 02:29:01,700
final segment any other explanations

3420
02:29:07,801 --> 02:29:05,291
from the skeptics of even mass hysteria

3421
02:29:11,470 --> 02:29:07,811
well there was some funny ones

3422
02:29:17,671 --> 02:29:11,480
somebody said Edie Warren brought in

3423
02:29:23,051 --> 02:29:20,980
all seen against the same phenomena at

3424
02:29:27,310 --> 02:29:23,061
the same time well we have to be a very

3425
02:29:29,621 --> 02:29:27,320
subjective kind of Hallucigenia just say

3426
02:29:31,841 --> 02:29:29,631
it you're seeing this and therefore

3427
02:29:33,640 --> 02:29:31,851
that's what you see right right

3428
02:29:35,850 --> 02:29:33,650
actually Paulino was the guy who went

3429
02:29:38,171 --> 02:29:35,860
out to get the candy so but you know

3430
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:38,181
sounds like some interesting candy I'd

3431
02:29:43,331 --> 02:29:40,370
like to taste it yeah right I don't know

3432
02:29:45,701 --> 02:29:43,341
what you wish for Jean oh my goodness

3433
02:29:48,371 --> 02:29:45,711
listen I've tasted a few things in my

3434
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life well that sounds like a different

3435
02:29:56,201 --> 02:29:51,261
show I'm not going to touch that one

3436
02:29:58,480 --> 02:29:56,211
either well let's just die there Chris

3437
02:30:01,031 --> 02:29:58,490
we only have maybe eight minutes left

3438
02:30:03,970 --> 02:30:01,041
any other questions you have there we

3439
02:30:05,921 --> 02:30:03,980
really have to ask well yeah we've

3440
02:30:07,991 --> 02:30:05,931
covered a lot of the territory obviously

3441
02:30:11,051 --> 02:30:08,001
but you know Poulter worst is very

3442
02:30:12,940 --> 02:30:11,061
interested in your future work do you

3443
02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:12,950
intend to do similar books on other

3444
02:30:18,881 --> 02:30:14,690
poltergeist cases or alleged paranormal

3445
02:30:22,751 --> 02:30:18,891
cases or like UFOs in general yes in

3446
02:30:24,911 --> 02:30:22,761
fact my next book will be called the

3447
02:30:28,150 --> 02:30:24,921
haunted house Diaries and it involves a

3448
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diary being kept by a woman who was

3449
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lived in a haunted house since the 1950s

3450
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she actually was born and brought back

3451
02:30:39,011 --> 02:30:36,141
to the house and it involves in in

3452
02:30:43,091 --> 02:30:39,021
Connecticut here basically a paranormal

3453
02:30:45,850 --> 02:30:43,101
flap that the whole area is there's

3454
02:30:50,381 --> 02:30:45,860
things going on there's been missing

3455
02:30:55,541 --> 02:30:50,391
time UFOs of cryptids Bigfoot sightings

3456
02:30:58,600 --> 02:30:55,551
as well as a number of the houses being

3457
02:31:00,281 --> 02:30:58,610
haunted in the area too so that's what

3458
02:31:04,060 --> 02:31:00,291
the next book will be on an old feature

3459
02:31:06,320 --> 02:31:04,070
her diary and the it's almost like a

3460
02:31:08,060 --> 02:31:06,330
paranormal crossroads these the the

3461
02:31:11,450 --> 02:31:08,070
things happening in our house are very

3462
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:11,460
very they're varied and and there'll be

3463
02:31:14,990 --> 02:31:13,050
a lot of discussion you know like we

3464
02:31:17,660 --> 02:31:15,000
discussed as far as you know what could

3465
02:31:19,700 --> 02:31:17,670
this thing be here we're or what are

3466
02:31:22,130 --> 02:31:19,710
these things and how are they related as

3467
02:31:24,290 --> 02:31:22,140
I think the paranormal as you guys

3468
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,300
probably know now much more related than

3469
02:31:28,910 --> 02:31:27,120
we ever once thought it was you know it

3470
02:31:31,730 --> 02:31:28,920
used to be ghost people shouldn't talk

3471
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:31,740
to you up old people and like so you

3472
02:31:36,470 --> 02:31:33,690
know and now I think we're realizing you

3473
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:36,480
know this all has a lot more they're not

3474
02:31:40,280 --> 02:31:38,610
the same phenomenon but they appear but

3475
02:31:44,180 --> 02:31:40,290
there seems to be an interconnectedness

3476
02:31:46,011 --> 02:31:44,190
somehow yeah exactly right the fact I

3477
02:31:48,470 --> 02:31:46,021
was that a UFO convention I was amazed

3478
02:31:51,500 --> 02:31:48,480
that I think it was 83% of these

3479
02:31:53,630 --> 02:31:51,510
sightings there's other paranormal

3480
02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:53,640
things happening in houses and stuff and

3481
02:31:59,150 --> 02:31:56,610
so it's it seems to be like you said

3482
02:32:02,420 --> 02:31:59,160
that they're more related or maybe they

3483
02:32:04,420 --> 02:32:02,430
come from the same place or or vehicle I

3484
02:32:07,761 --> 02:32:04,430
shouldn't say place but you know the

3485
02:32:11,180 --> 02:32:07,771
conditions are right for inexplicable

3486
02:32:13,910 --> 02:32:11,190
events to occur possibly based on some

3487
02:32:16,430 --> 02:32:13,920
sort of conditional parameters around

3488
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:16,440
you know the site or around the

3489
02:32:21,860 --> 02:32:18,450
individuals kind of a perfect storm I

3490
02:32:23,690 --> 02:32:21,870
think as you pointed out before yeah I

3491
02:32:26,330 --> 02:32:23,700
completely agree yeah when the

3492
02:32:28,580 --> 02:32:26,340
conditions are right and you know we

3493
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:28,590
never thought to look for it but you

3494
02:32:32,210 --> 02:32:30,930
know a lot of times now you know you get

3495
02:32:34,070 --> 02:32:32,220
a haunted house you should be looking

3496
02:32:35,900 --> 02:32:34,080
are there UFOs are there other houses

3497
02:32:37,551 --> 02:32:35,910
that have been haunted in the area you

3498
02:32:39,140 --> 02:32:37,561
know and depending on the kind of

3499
02:32:40,850 --> 02:32:39,150
haunting or whatever was certainly it

3500
02:32:42,500 --> 02:32:40,860
may not be the case but you know like

3501
02:32:44,180 --> 02:32:42,510
you said the conditions are often right

3502
02:32:46,910 --> 02:32:44,190
where there's more going on there than

3503
02:32:49,730 --> 02:32:46,920
you know we would initially suspect or

3504
02:32:53,720 --> 02:32:49,740
would have it suspected in the past well

3505
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:53,730
what other cases could you look to that

3506
02:32:57,170 --> 02:32:56,010
are similar to the lonely house case

3507
02:33:00,590 --> 02:32:57,180
with the Goodin's

3508
02:33:03,200 --> 02:33:00,600
that have you know some sort of real

3509
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:03,210
commonalities and similarities anything

3510
02:33:11,180 --> 02:33:06,890
spring to mind as far as specific cases

3511
02:33:14,480 --> 02:33:11,190
you know all of them have have some of

3512
02:33:16,761 --> 02:33:14,490
it not not all of it you know whether

3513
02:33:20,479 --> 02:33:16,771
it's Bell Witch or and field poltergeist

3514
02:33:23,290 --> 02:33:20,489
I was amazed at the common

3515
02:33:26,059 --> 02:33:23,300
and then there are some differences like

3516
02:33:28,429 --> 02:33:26,069
like you know one like Lindley Street

3517
02:33:31,340 --> 02:33:28,439
has had these in multiple forms another

3518
02:33:33,620 --> 02:33:31,350
case might have you know rocks coming

3519
02:33:36,620 --> 02:33:33,630
from the ceiling or you know or a fire

3520
02:33:38,029 --> 02:33:36,630
you know spontaneous fire we're

3521
02:33:40,370 --> 02:33:38,039
literally straight had a spontaneous

3522
02:33:42,469 --> 02:33:40,380
burn so I mean there's there's some

3523
02:33:44,449 --> 02:33:42,479
commonalities and a few differences but

3524
02:33:48,889 --> 02:33:44,459
I think that's what shocks me the most

3525
02:33:53,090 --> 02:33:48,899
is is the eerie similarities just of

3526
02:33:56,359 --> 02:33:53,100
kind of the way it builds up and and the

3527
02:34:00,439 --> 02:33:56,369
incidents and and and that's fascinating

3528
02:34:02,750 --> 02:34:00,449
to me so I think you know when somebody

3529
02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:02,760
says what's a poltergeist I like to

3530
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:05,369
describe it by the behavior because I

3531
02:34:10,279 --> 02:34:07,050
think it's the behavior that or that

3532
02:34:13,130 --> 02:34:10,289
kind of separates these things you know

3533
02:34:17,659 --> 02:34:13,140
it's a real trickster is quality to many

3534
02:34:20,269 --> 02:34:17,669
of these cases right right and and then

3535
02:34:22,279 --> 02:34:20,279
there's you know I think that's just the

3536
02:34:24,679 --> 02:34:22,289
best way for us to classify and versus

3537
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:24,689
saying it's a demon or it's this or that

3538
02:34:29,029 --> 02:34:27,449
I prefer to say you know this is what it

3539
02:34:31,880 --> 02:34:29,039
is and we call it that because of this

3540
02:34:34,370 --> 02:34:31,890
behavior but I do think that angel demon

3541
02:34:37,909 --> 02:34:34,380
thing might be a little bit more of a

3542
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:37,919
our lack of language you know and how to

3543
02:34:42,559 --> 02:34:40,319
describe these things and they may be

3544
02:34:44,719 --> 02:34:42,569
like you said you know much more like us

3545
02:34:46,790 --> 02:34:44,729
you know some are neutral summer

3546
02:34:48,559 --> 02:34:46,800
negative summer and and we're all kind

3547
02:34:51,529 --> 02:34:48,569
of all those things at one point in time

3548
02:34:53,210 --> 02:34:51,539
and I hate to judge anything when

3549
02:34:55,189 --> 02:34:53,220
they're kind of out of their element and

3550
02:34:57,649 --> 02:34:55,199
in this case excuse the pun they're

3551
02:34:59,059 --> 02:34:57,659
really out of their element so it's it's

3552
02:35:00,679 --> 02:34:59,069
tough because if you met the good and

3553
02:35:01,790 --> 02:35:00,689
family during this experience I'm sure

3554
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:01,800
it'd be a little bit different than

3555
02:35:09,380 --> 02:35:04,890
meaning and you know after at the bake

3556
02:35:11,569 --> 02:35:09,390
sale after the church you know okay one

3557
02:35:13,849 --> 02:35:11,579
quick last question before we wrap it up

3558
02:35:17,719 --> 02:35:13,859
this comes from our administrator and

3559
02:35:19,819 --> 02:35:17,729
moderator at forum dr. Peric ascom cogs

3560
02:35:23,179 --> 02:35:19,829
makai he's wondering about all these

3561
02:35:25,639 --> 02:35:23,189
modern equipment lists that people carry

3562
02:35:28,250 --> 02:35:25,649
around with EMF meter's spirit boxes

3563
02:35:30,830 --> 02:35:28,260
ovule is's thermal cameras full-spectrum

3564
02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:30,840
cameras do you think these are effective

3565
02:35:36,179 --> 02:35:33,130
tools for investigators I

3566
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:36,189
I do think they're effective with the

3567
02:35:42,060 --> 02:35:39,130
caveat that you know you really have to

3568
02:35:44,010 --> 02:35:42,070
be careful with them I mean you can have

3569
02:35:46,110 --> 02:35:44,020
old knob-and-tube behind a wall in an

3570
02:35:49,080 --> 02:35:46,120
EMP MF you know it's gonna pick that up

3571
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:49,090
so and and you may be certain there's no

3572
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:52,570
electricity there but it's there so so

3573
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,840
they're not foolproof you know and I

3574
02:36:00,210 --> 02:35:57,520
think they're great when you already

3575
02:36:01,590 --> 02:36:00,220
have other phenomena taking place you

3576
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,600
know if you already have other phenomena

3577
02:36:05,250 --> 02:36:03,040
taking place and you know there's

3578
02:36:08,310 --> 02:36:05,260
something going on there then I think

3579
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:08,320
they're a great additive if they're your

3580
02:36:11,580 --> 02:36:10,720
only evidence and you have nothing else

3581
02:36:14,790 --> 02:36:11,590
to go on

3582
02:36:16,620 --> 02:36:14,800
yeah yeah emptor yeah then you have to

3583
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:16,630
really I mean it still could be

3584
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:18,850
legitimate but you have to really I'm

3585
02:36:22,350 --> 02:36:20,770
all for having experts look at things

3586
02:36:25,320 --> 02:36:22,360
like you know the photos from my new

3587
02:36:28,320 --> 02:36:25,330
book I'm having Mark Dantonio who's the

3588
02:36:29,639 --> 02:36:28,330
video photo expert for a MUFON look at

3589
02:36:31,230 --> 02:36:29,649
every photo because he may look at a

3590
02:36:32,700 --> 02:36:31,240
photo and say well no not this one build

3591
02:36:35,250 --> 02:36:32,710
us a reflection or whatever you know

3592
02:36:37,080 --> 02:36:35,260
what's not going in because you know I'm

3593
02:36:38,969 --> 02:36:37,090
no expert I'm not gonna you know by

3594
02:36:40,740 --> 02:36:38,979
looking at the sky seeing a UFO I'm the

3595
02:36:42,719 --> 02:36:40,750
first to tell you I haven't a clue what

3596
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:42,729
I'm looking at I probably wouldn't

3597
02:36:46,050 --> 02:36:45,040
report a real UFO if I saw one because I

3598
02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:46,060
wouldn't know what I'm looking at

3599
02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:48,340
because I'm not I don't know that it's

3600
02:36:55,740 --> 02:36:52,090
not my expertise so I think you know use

3601
02:36:57,690 --> 02:36:55,750
of multiple experts and why not is but I

3602
02:37:00,270 --> 02:36:57,700
think it's a good additive oh yeah yeah

3603
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:00,280
is it yeah oh thank you

3604
02:37:05,219 --> 02:37:02,110
hey and of course we had Mark Dantonio

3605
02:37:08,130 --> 02:37:05,229
on the power cast it's very recently

3606
02:37:10,679 --> 02:37:08,140
very knowledgeable guy very enlightened

3607
02:37:12,929 --> 02:37:10,689
viewpoint for you good interview in any

3608
02:37:15,060 --> 02:37:12,939
case William or please tell our

3609
02:37:17,940 --> 02:37:15,070
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3610
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3627
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3628
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3629
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3630
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3634
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3639
02:38:43,761 --> 02:38:41,370
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3640
02:38:52,820 --> 02:38:43,771
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3641
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